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Old 10-01-2012, 05:48 AM
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Union Contract: Teachers Can Be Caught In School Drunk Five Times and On Drugs Three Times Before Being Fired

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Forget zero tolerance. Bay City Public School teachers for years could be caught repeatedly under the influence of illegal drugs or alcohol without being fired.

Teachers in possession or under the influence of illegal drugs could be caught three times before they lost their job, and they got five strikes if they were drunk on school grounds before being fired. A school district official said the language in the union contract that protects teachers for those instances "was incorporated into the teacher Master Agreement in 1997."

Those protections also were included in the Bay City Education Association teacher’s contract that was agreed to in January in section 16.1300 "Controlled Substances" on page 92. That contract expired June 30 and negotiations on a new contract are ongoing.

Students weren’t given as many chances. The code of conduct for middle school and high school students states that if they are found to be under the influence or in possession of illegal drugs, they get a 5-day suspension or a 3-day suspension with counseling on the first offense.

A teacher caught selling drugs in class would get a 3-day suspension without pay with mandatory counseling, but wouldn’t be fired unless the teacher did it a second time.

"They must have had been high to approve that contract because no sober person would agree to that kind of policy," said Leon Drolet, chairman of the Michigan Taxpayers Alliance. "The role models are held to a lower standard than the students. That just sends a horrible message. If anything is indicative of how far school boards are willing to bend to kiss the rings of union leaders, this is it.

"That is an absolute disgrace," he said.


The provision of the teachers' contract that allowed up to five strikes for being under the influence of alcohol and three strikes for being under the influence of illegal drugs before being fired was ruled as unenforceable by Public Act 103 in July 2011. However, the union contract states that if Public Act 103 is struck down, the policy goes back into effect for teachers.

The union contract states that the provisions remain in "full force and affect" for bargaining unit members not subject to the Teachers Tenure Act, which would include job titles such as librarians, guidance counselors, school psychologists, social workers and school nurses.
This is what happens when the unions AND the politicians scratch each others' back and put the students (and tax dollars) to the lower priority...
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:01 AM
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aren't unions wonderful..........

We have many proposals on our ballot this election year, many of them having to do with putting union contract into the state constitution so as to make it impossible for cities, town, villages, and even the state to do anything about union extortion of taxpayer money.
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unions are soooo awesome, aren't they?
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Protection of a person who violates standard employment policies is just one of the many reasons Unions do not work towards the benefit of the citizens.

If someone were to come into one of our stores either drunk or under the influence of drugs (legal or not) they would lose their job. And we just sell sandwiches.

Imagine the influence these people have on the children....
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Here, let me provide the liberal response:

"But we didn't have unions, we've have 3-years olds working 22 hour days wiring houses with the power on while standing in water. We'd only be being paid .02 a day and would be forced to wash the bosses cars on our one dya off a year. Besides Mitt Romney is poo-poo head and Obama killed bin laden."
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Here, let me provide the liberal response:

"But we didn't have unions, we've have 3-years olds working 22 hour days wiring houses with the power on while standing in water. We'd only be being paid .02 a day and would be forced to wash the bosses cars on our one dya off a year. Besides Mitt Romney is poo-poo head and Obama killed bin laden."
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So I can blame the school for my drug dealing kid? Sweet, an excuse

That is ridiculous.
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I see the "hate unions" hook is set pretty deep in the rights mouth and big business is reeling them in. Not that I agree with everything a particular union might pull from time to time. This was a mediocre country before the unions and the industrial revolution and even into the World Wars. We hit our Zenith when unions were at full strength. There is always a balance to be found but blamming unions for all the ills all the time is screwed up.

As for this story? Stupid huh?
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Interesting how many schools are adopting "zero tolerance" policies for students but not the teachers.
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I see the "hate unions" hook is set pretty deep in the rights mouth and big business is reeling them in. Not that I agree with everything a particular union might pull from time to time. This was a mediocre country before the unions and the industrial revolution and even into the World Wars. We hit our Zenith when unions were at full strength. There is always a balance to be found but blamming unions for all the ills all the time is screwed up.

As for this story? Stupid huh?
No one blames unions for "all the ills all the time". We blame them for the dumbass stupid bull**** they're directly responsible for.
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