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Old 05-01-2012, 02:20 PM
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So I just finished a four hour examination over advanced civil procedure. We were permitted to use the rule book we were issued and nothing else. We could annotate the rule book, but only with information about the rules, not any additional information learned in the class. So that's about a third of the material.

We were given a fact pattern where you had to go based only upon the facts at hand. The problem with that is there are likely additional facts which could have/would have changed my analysis. This sprint test is designed for me to basically brain-dump in a specific order.

The problem with this test is that it doesn't seem to have any real world application. In the real world you spend months on a case, developing strategy, and thinking about these things. You have opportunity to work one side of the issue and predict the other side, and respond to the other side. The time and distance gives one perspective on what would be the correct answer and why.

So basically I just wasted four hours of my life proving that I could spew tons of information. I don't see how that helps me do the real world analysis or strategy planning that really needs to be done. Great. :/
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My guess is the education system has a scratch-back program with the company that makes the rules book...
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So I just finished a four hour examination over advanced civil procedure. We were permitted to use the rule book we were issued and nothing else. We could annotate the rule book, but only with information about the rules, not any additional information learned in the class. So that's about a third of the material.

We were given a fact pattern where you had to go based only upon the facts at hand. The problem with that is there are likely additional facts which could have/would have changed my analysis. This sprint test is designed for me to basically brain-dump in a specific order.

The problem with this test is that it doesn't seem to have any real world application. In the real world you spend months on a case, developing strategy, and thinking about these things. You have opportunity to work one side of the issue and predict the other side, and respond to the other side. The time and distance gives one perspective on what would be the correct answer and why.

So basically I just wasted four hours of my life proving that I could spew tons of information. I don't see how that helps me do the real world analysis or strategy planning that really needs to be done. Great. :/
And I thought high-school geometry was a waste, but have you ever tried to cut a round cake into 11 equal pieces????

(point being, it may not seem like it's a RL app now, but it may just sneak up on ya down the road.... )
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So I just finished a four hour examination over advanced civil procedure. We were permitted to use the rule book we were issued and nothing else. We could annotate the rule book, but only with information about the rules, not any additional information learned in the class. So that's about a third of the material.

We were given a fact pattern where you had to go based only upon the facts at hand. The problem with that is there are likely additional facts which could have/would have changed my analysis. This sprint test is designed for me to basically brain-dump in a specific order.

The problem with this test is that it doesn't seem to have any real world application. In the real world you spend months on a case, developing strategy, and thinking about these things. You have opportunity to work one side of the issue and predict the other side, and respond to the other side. The time and distance gives one perspective on what would be the correct answer and why.

So basically I just wasted four hours of my life proving that I could spew tons of information. I don't see how that helps me do the real world analysis or strategy planning that really needs to be done. Great. :/
When I was a kid, my Dad had me and my brother load a pickup load of hay. He told us exactly how to do it and then stood back and watched while we did it just like he told us to. Then, after we were done, he asked us how we liked doing it his way. "His way" was to stack up a row as tall as the cab and then stack the next row up until the truck was full. We both told him that we thought there was an easier way to do it. "NOW you're learning." he said. Sometimes you need to do something the hardest way possible in order to find the best way to do it. Had my Dad told us an easier way to load hay, we would have accepted it as the best way, but by making us do it the worst way, he pushed us to think of a better way, something that we wouldn't have done had the job been easier. Some lessons aren't about what you learn, but about how you think.
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When I was a kid, my Dad had me and my brother load a pickup load of hay.
Should've been in school learning how to correctly say "my brother and I" instead of "me and my brother"...
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Should've been in school learning how to correctly say "my brother and I" instead of "me and my brother"...
And then pay attention in spelling class to include the 'd' on the word and.
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Should've been in school learning how to correctly say "my brother and I" instead of "me and my brother"...

My brother and me. Me is the object of had.
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My brother and me. Me is the object of had.
Hey...

Do you see me picking apart other people's grammar?...
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Hey...

Do you see me picking apart other people's grammar?...
Yes. I think I did see just that.
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My brother and me. Me is the object of had.
correct! I break it down if I can't see it right away:

my Dad had me and my brother load a pickup load of hay.

my Dad had me load a pickup load of hay.

my Dad had my brother load a pickup load of hay.

my Dad had I load a pickup load of hay.
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