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rivrrat · #31 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 09:51 AM

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Yes, wouldn't society be wonderful if your employer could fire you for no reason.

Yes. As an employer, I should be allowed to hire whom I want and fire whom I wish. I should not be forced by law to keep paying someone I no longer want working for me. That's ****ing insane. And tyrannical.

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That's why Wal Mart, the worlds biggest employer, puts its employees before obscene profits. That's why they all get a decent wage, benefits and can live the American Dream.

The people who work at walmart choose to do so. If they don't like their wages or conditions or treatment, they can seek work elsewhere.

catusfelidae · #32 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 10:07 AM

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Yes. As an employer, I should be allowed to hire whom I want and fire whom I wish. I should not be forced by law to keep paying someone I no longer want working for me. That's ****ing insane. And tyrannical.

So you honestly believe that a person who has worked at a company for, say, 15 years, and who depends upon his/her salary to support their family should be subjected to being fired for no good reason?

The people who work at walmart choose to do so. If they don't like their wages or conditions or treatment, they can seek work elsewhere.

Sure they can. Because there are just SOOOOOOOOO many good jobs going begging!

I notice you didn't have anything to say about the Triangle company. What's the matter? Can't find a way to shrug that off?

Can't find a way to say that if those people who died didn't like being locked in an unsafe building they should have just looked for work elsewhere?

Can't find a way to justify the company keeping the insurance money paid for those deaths instead of passing it along to the victims families?

rivrrat · #33 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 10:25 AM

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[COLOR="DarkGreen"]So you honestly believe that a person who has worked at a company for, say, 15 years, and who depends upon his/her salary to support their family should be subjected to being fired for no good reason?

Of course.

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Sure they can. Because there are just SOOOOOOOOO many good jobs going begging!

Yes. They can.

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I notice you didn't have anything to say about the Triangle company.

I didn't say anything about it because I have no ****ing idea WTF you're talking about.

catusfelidae · #34 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 10:47 AM

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Of course.

Yes. They can.

I didn't say anything about it because I have no ****ing idea WTF you're talking about.

That last part doesn't surprise me. No offense intended, but I have always found that most people who are anti union really don't know anything about unions, or what life was like for the workers 'before'.

Google 'Triangle Shirtwaist Factory' and read up on it.

Then Google 'Mary Harris Jones', otherwise known as Mother Jones.

Check out the US Department of Labor's 'child labor reform exhibits.

You can find a link to that easily by Googling Sarah Norcliffe Cleghorn's short poem......"The golf links lie so near the mill, That almost every day, The laboring children can look out, And watch the men at play"

You say 'children should work'? At least do them the service of learning about that which you are advocating!

Again, no offense intended, but you really should do some research regarding a topic before you form an opinion regarding said topic.

rivrrat · #35 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 10:53 AM

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That last part doesn't surprise me. No offense intended, but I have always found that most people who are anti union really don't know anything about unions, or what life was like for the workers 'before'.

Google 'Triangle Shirtwaist Factory' and read up on it.

Then Google 'Mary Harris Jones', otherwise known as Mother Jones.

Check out the US Department of Labor's 'child labor reform exhibits.

You can find a link to that easily by Googling Sarah Norcliffe Cleghorn's short poem......"The golf links lie so near the mill, That almost every day, The laboring children can look out, And watch the men at play"

You say 'children should work'? At least do them the service of learning about that which you are advocating!

Again, no offense intended, but you really should do some research regarding a topic before you form an opinion regarding said topic.

None of that has anything at all to do with what we're talking about. But nice diversion.

And yes, children should work. I don't need to "learn about that which I am advocating". I'm well aware of what work is. Have been since I was a child.

catusfelidae · #36 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 10:59 AM

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None of that has anything at all to do with what we're talking about. But nice diversion.

And yes, children should work. I don't need to "learn about that which I am advocating". I'm well aware of what work is. Have been since I was a child.

The lucky ones swept the trash and filth from city streets or stood for hours on street corners hawking newspapers. The less fortunate coughed constantly through 10-hour shifts in dark, damp coal mines or sweated to the point of dehydration while tending fiery glass-factory furnaces - all to stoke the profit margins of industrialists whose own children sat comfortably at school desks gleaning moral principles from their McGuffey Readers.

By and large, these child laborers were the sons and daughters of poor parents or recent immigrants who depended on their children's meager wages to survive. But they were also the offspring of the rapid, unchecked industrialization that characterized large American cities as early as the 1850s. In 1870, the first U.S. census Photo of Children to report child labor numbers counted 750,000 workers under the age of 15, not including children who worked for their families in businesses or on farms. By 1911, more than two million American children under the age of 16 were working - many of them 12 hours or more, six days a week. Often they toiled in unhealthful and hazardous conditions; always for minuscule wages.

Glass factory: "...boys traveled as distance of nearly 22 miles in an 8-hour shift at a constant slow run to and from ovens... average pay of 72 cents per 8-hour shift...."

Silk Mills: "...girl not 9 years old... cleaned bobbins for 3 cents an hour... must stand at their work... 12-hour shifts... by night... unceasingly... watching the threads... before... scores of revolving spindles... some of them making 25,000 revolutions per minute...."

"Employment of child labor", speed of Honorable Albert J. Beveridge, Wednesday, January 23, 1907.

Garment Factory: "...to reach their quota, girls had to put in an 84-hour week at a wage averaging 5 cents an hour..."

Soap-Packing Plants: "...girls were exposed to caustic soda that turned their nails yellow and ate away at their fingers..."

Flower-Making Workshops: "...arsenic, liberally applied to produce vivid colors, wrecked the appearance and health... with sores, swelling of the limbs, nausea... complete debility..."

Tobacco Stripping: "In their homes, ... women and children... endure the most sickening exhalations as they stripped the leaves... tobacco (dust) is everywhere... they sleep in it... (it) seasons their food and befouls the water they drink..."

Cannery: "...children as young as six employed as headers and cleaners (of shrimp and fish)... stand for shifts of 12 hours and longer in open sheds... hands immersed in cold water..."

Child Labor Reform Exhibit--Wirtz Labor Library

You support this? Really? What the hell's wrong with you?

rivrrat · #37 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 11:01 AM

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The lucky ones swept the trash and filth from city streets or stood for hours on street corners hawking newspapers. The less fortunate coughed constantly through 10-hour shifts in dark, damp coal mines or sweated to the point of dehydration while tending fiery glass-factory furnaces - all to stoke the profit margins of industrialists whose own children sat comfortably at school desks gleaning moral principles from their McGuffey Readers.

By and large, these child laborers were the sons and daughters of poor parents or recent immigrants who depended on their children's meager wages to survive. But they were also the offspring of the rapid, unchecked industrialization that characterized large American cities as early as the 1850s. In 1870, the first U.S. census Photo of Children to report child labor numbers counted 750,000 workers under the age of 15, not including children who worked for their families in businesses or on farms. By 1911, more than two million American children under the age of 16 were working - many of them 12 hours or more, six days a week. Often they toiled in unhealthful and hazardous conditions; always for minuscule wages.

Glass factory: "...boys traveled as distance of nearly 22 miles in an 8-hour shift at a constant slow run to and from ovens... average pay of 72 cents per 8-hour shift...."

Silk Mills: "...girl not 9 years old... cleaned bobbins for 3 cents an hour... must stand at their work... 12-hour shifts... by night... unceasingly... watching the threads... before... scores of revolving spindles... some of them making 25,000 revolutions per minute...."

"Employment of child labor", speed of Honorable Albert J. Beveridge, Wednesday, January 23, 1907.

Garment Factory: "...to reach their quota, girls had to put in an 84-hour week at a wage averaging 5 cents an hour..."

Soap-Packing Plants: "...girls were exposed to caustic soda that turned their nails yellow and ate away at their fingers..."

Flower-Making Workshops: "...arsenic, liberally applied to produce vivid colors, wrecked the appearance and health... with sores, swelling of the limbs, nausea... complete debility..."

Tobacco Stripping: "In their homes, ... women and children... endure the most sickening exhalations as they stripped the leaves... tobacco (dust) is everywhere... they sleep in it... (it) seasons their food and befouls the water they drink..."

Cannery: "...children as young as six employed as headers and cleaners (of shrimp and fish)... stand for shifts of 12 hours and longer in open sheds... hands immersed in cold water..."

Child Labor Reform Exhibit--Wirtz Labor Library

You support this? Really? What the hell's wrong with you?

Why do you keep talking about the past? I'm talking about today.

catusfelidae · #38 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 11:08 AM

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Why do you keep talking about the past? I'm talking about today.

Because if it were not for the unions you are so against, this would BE TODAY!

Ever hear the saying 'those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it'?

rivrrat · #39 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 11:10 AM

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Because if it were not for the unions you are so against, this would BE TODAY!

Ever hear the saying 'those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it'?

Really? PUBLIC unions did that? Which PUBLIC unions specifically?

catusfelidae · #40 (**permalink**) 02-01-2012, 11:17 AM

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Really? PUBLIC unions did that? Which PUBLIC unions specifically?

Sorry, but you're going to have to do your own research. Perhaps if you put a little effort into it, you'll actually learn something.

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