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The ability to not hold the unions accountable for the system they have is incredible. Even if you replace every single public servant, the contract still stands! They still get paid. On the other hand, if we try and change the contract, we'll get called union busters!
The system "They" have?

Why is everybody slamming the union for this?

The administration agreed to the contract.

The administration did a piss poor job of proving this guy did anything wrong.

The administration is the one letting him sit on his ass instead of assigning him some work.

Why don't we try placing the blame where it belongs?
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Yeah, lets get rid of the unions. We'll allow the school system to fire teachers on the basis of an unproven accusation.

That will attract good teachers!
Yes. It will.

Public unions do no good. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
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Why is everybody slamming the union for this?
The union contract is what makes it IMPOSSIBLE to fire someone. This isn't good for the kids, the school system or the union. The union knows that this person is giving them a bad name. They should have some way of getting rid of them


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Why don't we try placing the blame where it belongs?
We agree! The union should can the creeps.
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The union contract is what makes it IMPOSSIBLE to fire someone. This isn't good for the kids, the school system or the union. The union knows that this person is giving them a bad name. They should have some way of getting rid of them




We agree! The union should can the creeps.
Who agreed to that contract?

The unions job it to take care of its members. The administrations job is to make sure that they don't get screwed by the union.

The union did its job. A man who has not been convicted of a damn thing has not been fired.

The administration is screwing up by not assigning the man some work.
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Yes. It will.

Public unions do no good. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
I have to disagree with that. For one thing, this public union is preventing the school administration from firing someone who has not been convicted, at their own hearing, of a damn thing!



Teaching is not the same a flipping burgers, delivering pizza, or ringing up groceries at the local store.

It takes an expensive education and a LOT of dedication. Without some assurances of salary and security, you can kiss good teachers goodby.

I live in Arkansas, a 'right to work state'. Our teachers union is not the greatest.

This year 49.3 percent of students going on to college need remediation classes. 49.3 percent! And those are just the kids who are going on to college. We have high school graduates here who speak as if they were 'raised in the hills by Uncle Bubba' and can't do simple math without a calculator.

We need better, more dedicated teachers. But with our teachers union, we're not going to get them.
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Yes. It will.

Public unions do no good. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch.
except for all these things:

End child labor
8 hour work day
40 hour work week
Paid Overtime
Weekends (yes, they didn't exist as days off before unions)
Workers compensation for people injured on the job
Unemployment insurance
Paid sick leave, vacations, and holidays as standard benefits for most workers
Health Insurance for many workers
Pensions or 401Ks for many workers
Improve workplace safety and reduce on the job fatalities
Pushed for Civil Right Acts and Title VII which outlaws job discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin
Occupational Safety and Health Act
Family Medical Leave Act
Push for livable minimum wage
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except for all these things:

End child labor
8 hour work day
40 hour work week
Paid Overtime
Weekends (yes, they didn't exist as days off before unions)
Workers compensation for people injured on the job
Unemployment insurance
Paid sick leave, vacations, and holidays as standard benefits for most workers
Health Insurance for many workers
Pensions or 401Ks for many workers
Improve workplace safety and reduce on the job fatalities
Pushed for Civil Right Acts and Title VII which outlaws job discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin
Occupational Safety and Health Act
Family Medical Leave Act
Push for livable minimum wage
How many were done by PUBLIC unions? I think we all agree that unions in private industry have had beneficial impacts on our society. Many of us have issues with PUBLIC unions. Heck, when unions were legalized they specifically wanted to avoid public unions because of the inherent conflict of interest that occurs.
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except for all these things:

End child labor
I have no problem with children working. In fact, IMO, what's wrong with today's youth is that they DONT work.

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8 hour work day
40 hour work week
Paid Overtime
I don't think I've ever had a job where I only worked 8 hrs a day/ 40hrs/week, and got paid overtime. So that all depends on the job

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Weekends (yes, they didn't exist as days off before unions)
I've worked a ****load of weekends too. In fact, in a former life, I NEVER had a weekend off. So, depends on the job.



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Health Insurance for many workers
Health insurance should NOT be tied to one's job. It's one of the biggest ****ing mistakes we've made regarding health stuff.



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Pushed for Civil Right Acts and Title VII which outlaws job discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin
Yeah, which really sucks actually. Employer's should be free to hire and fire whomever they want for whatever reason they want. All that act did is take away rights from employers.



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Which should be abolished.

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Occupational Safety and Health Act
Family Medical Leave Act
Workers compensation for people injured on the job
Unemployment insurance
Paid sick leave, vacations, and holidays as standard benefits for most workers
Pensions or 401Ks for many workers
Improve workplace safety and reduce on the job fatalities
As for the rest of it,(some of which is debatable as to its value too) was it PUBLIC unions that did that? I think not.
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I have to disagree with that. For one thing, this public union is preventing the school administration from firing someone who has not been convicted, at their own hearing, of a damn thing!

The union is preventing someone from being fired when his employer wishes him to stop working there. It's up to the ****ing employer who they want to hire/fire.


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Teaching is not the same a flipping burgers, delivering pizza, or ringing up groceries at the local store.

It takes an expensive education and a LOT of dedication. Without some assurances of salary and security, you can kiss good teachers goodby.
When you promise salary and security to anyone and everyone, no matter how ****ing terrible they are, you can kiss good teachers goodbye.


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This year 49.3 percent of students going on to college need remediation classes. 49.3 percent! And those are just the kids who are going on to college. We have high school graduates here who speak as if they were 'raised in the hills by Uncle Bubba' and can't do simple math without a calculator.

We need better, more dedicated teachers. But with our teachers union, we're not going to get them.
No, you're not going to get good teachers with a teacher's union. You're correct.
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The union is preventing someone from being fired when his employer wishes him to stop working there. It's up to the ****ing employer who they want to hire/fire.



When you promise salary and security to anyone and everyone, no matter how ****ing terrible they are, you can kiss good teachers goodbye.



No, you're not going to get good teachers with a teacher's union. You're correct.





Yes, wouldn't society be wonderful if your employer could fire you for no reason. After all, management has ALWAYS had the employees best interests at heart and there is no such thing as corporate greed.

That's why Wal Mart, the worlds biggest employer, puts its employees before obscene profits. That's why they all get a decent wage, benefits and can live the American Dream.

That's why America is still #1 in production. American companies would never consider sending jobs overseas where they can pay the employees crap in order to make millions for owners.


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