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They didn't make a mistake, they did something stupid after deliberation (if indeed taxpayers will be paying for the illegals). When someone does something stupid after deliberation, then they're stupid.
I said "wrong decision", not "mistake", there is a difference.


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Liking someone's point of view and disagreeing with it are two different things. I can like the idea of taking someone like John Wayne Gacy and torturing him to death over a period of months rather than just quickly executing him, but I would never agree with implementing something like that. Feelings, morality, and reason don't always match up.
Failure on your part to address the point.


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I thought we were talking about whether the cost associated with attending a community college in North Carolina is less than $7,700 and whether that avoids the problem of taxpayers subsidizing post secondary education for illegal aliens.
In the context of the conversation, the education part is a given.
More nit-picking by you instead of addressing the points.
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In the context of the conversation, the education part is a given.
More nit-picking by you instead of addressing the points.
I'm sorry I've been nit-picking. What points am I not address?

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Evidently, it is.
Hopefully you'll educate me and demonstrate how I've been mindlessly arguing.
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I'm sorry I've been nit-picking. What points am I not address?



Hopefully you'll educate me and demonstrate how I've been mindlessly arguing.
'Nuff said.
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'Nuff said.
That's what I thought. Thank you!

You missed my grammar mistake....
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While it is true that many institutions still receive state funding, these funds are declining across the board as states focus on medical care and corrections. There are many community colleges that rely more on county taxes than any other source. I did not see every comment hence this may have already been mentioned... Anyhow, so far the assumption has been that undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes or contribute in any way to state funded education. This is not necessarily true. These individuals can file taxes and even buy a home using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). So at least for these individuals, they are subsidizing an education they cannot take advantage of.
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While it is true that many institutions still receive state funding, these funds are declining across the board as states focus on medical care and corrections. There are many community colleges that rely more on county taxes than any other source. I did not see every comment hence this may have already been mentioned... Anyhow, so far the assumption has been that undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes or contribute in any way to state funded education. This is not necessarily true. These individuals can file taxes and even buy a home using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). So at least for these individuals, they are subsidizing an education they cannot take advantage of.
Really.......?

What percentage of illegal aliens pay anything into state funded education.....?
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While it is true that many institutions still receive state funding, these funds are declining across the board as states focus on medical care and corrections. There are many community colleges that rely more on county taxes than any other source. I did not see every comment hence this may have already been mentioned... Anyhow, so far the assumption has been that undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes or contribute in any way to state funded education. This is not necessarily true. These individuals can file taxes and even buy a home using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). So at least for these individuals, they are subsidizing an education they cannot take advantage of.
Ummmm....
Undocument immigrants don't have ITINs....
Documented ones do. Which means they are not illegal immigrants.

It's those lovely companies that promoted selling homes to people without documentation or Social Security numbers that paid Real Estate taxes. Though they are also, in this area according to several local bankers, the highest number of mortgage holders who have walked away (abandoned) their homes, and returned to their country of origin, leaving the bank/mortgage company holding the bag.

If nothing else good comes out of this recession, the reduction of illegal immigrants has been a positive. Now, if we could get the southern borders closed, and air-immigration under control......
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While it is true that many institutions still receive state funding, these funds are declining across the board as states focus on medical care and corrections. There are many community colleges that rely more on county taxes than any other source. I did not see every comment hence this may have already been mentioned... Anyhow, so far the assumption has been that undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes or contribute in any way to state funded education. This is not necessarily true. These individuals can file taxes and even buy a home using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). So at least for these individuals, they are subsidizing an education they cannot take advantage of.
"Undocumented" means they have no documents such as an ITIN, in other words, they are illegal aliens.
Simple concept, simple facts and simply amazing that you don't comprehend that.
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"Undocumented" means they have no documents such as an ITIN, in other words, they are illegal aliens.
Simple concept, simple facts and simply amazing that you don't comprehend that.
You don't need to be documented to get an ITIN. In fact, ITINs were created by the IRS for foreigners who need to pay taxes, even when they can't get any return on any money they put into the system. You really need to get your facts straight, or at a bare minimum research what people post before you reply with your BS.

Let me help you out. I'll even post excerpts from the articles in case it's just too much effort to read through them,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/

Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com

"The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100%, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5% of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.

Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

The IRS also has been issuing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, or ITINs, for 12 years to foreigners without a Social Security number. It's believed that many workers who seek the ITINs are in the country illegally, and the IRS reported that there were 2.5 million tax returns filed with an ITIN in 2004.

The IRS issued 1.5 million ITINs in 2006 ó a 30 percent increase from the previous year. All told, the tax liability of ITIN filers between 1996 and 2003 was $50 billion. The agency has no way to track how many were immigrants, but itís widely believed most people using ITINS are in the United States illegally."
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You don't need to be documented to get an ITIN. In fact, ITINs were created by the IRS for foreigners who need to pay taxes, even when they can't get any return on any money they put into the system. You really need to get your facts straight, or at a bare minimum research what people post before you reply with your BS.

Let me help you out. I'll even post excerpts from the articles in case it's just too much effort to read through them,

Illegals filing taxes more than ever - Tax Tactics - msnbc.com

Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com

"The Social Security Administration estimates that about three-quarters of illegal workers pay taxes that contribute to the overall solvency of Social Security and Medicare.

Spokesman Mark Hinkle says Social Security does not know how much of the $9 billion can be attributed to illegal immigrants. The number is certainly not 100%, but a significant portion probably comes from taxes paid by illegal immigrants.

Nine billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, and it is, but it is only about 1.5% of the total $593 billion paid into Social Security in 2005.

The impact on Social Security is significant, though, because most of that money is never claimed by the people who pay it but instead helps cover retirement checks to legal workers.

Federal law prohibits paying Social Security to illegal immigrants, but the administration factors in both legal and illegal immigration when projecting the trust fund's long-term solvency.

The IRS also has been issuing Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers, or ITINs, for 12 years to foreigners without a Social Security number. It's believed that many workers who seek the ITINs are in the country illegally, and the IRS reported that there were 2.5 million tax returns filed with an ITIN in 2004.

The IRS issued 1.5 million ITINs in 2006 ó a 30 percent increase from the previous year. All told, the tax liability of ITIN filers between 1996 and 2003 was $50 billion. The agency has no way to track how many were immigrants, but itís widely believed most people using ITINS are in the United States illegally."
"Undocumented" means they have no documents such as an ITIN.
Are you going to tell me that an ITIN isn't a document?
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