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Economics Discuss JFK Explains Why US Needs Medicare for All In 1962 at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by GottaGo The lower costs per capita... couldn't, by chance, have to do with denying care, or restricting ...

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Old 01-27-2020, 02:25 PM
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The lower costs per capita... couldn't, by chance, have to do with denying care, or restricting access to certain procedures or drugs, could it?
It's closer to having the ability to negotiate prices for drugs, medical equipment, etc. on a national scale, and having less of a bureaucracy and far fewer middlemen to pay out compared to our system. For example, we spend about five times as much per person on just administrative costs as they do in Canada.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...ts/%3famp=true

Besides, we deny care all the time over here. It wasn't until the ACA when a person could either be denied coverage for a procedure or even lose their insurance if an underlying pre-existing condition was "discovered".
And if a person is uninsured or underinsured, that makes it a lot more likely they would self-deny medical care because they simply cannot afford the extravagant price tag.
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It's closer to having the ability to negotiate prices for drugs, medical equipment, etc. on a national scale, and having less of a bureaucracy and far fewer middlemen to pay out compared to our system. For example, we spend about five times as much per person on just administrative costs as they do in Canada.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...ts/%3famp=true

Besides, we deny care all the time over here. It wasn't until the ACA when a person could either be denied coverage for a procedure or even lose their insurance if an underlying pre-existing condition was "discovered".
And if a person is uninsured or underinsured, that makes it a lot more likely they would self-deny medical care because they simply cannot afford the extravagant price tag.

I don't think the Federal Government has the ability to negotiate lower prices. If anything, they will put suppliers, and manufacturers out of business, and that will drive prices up.

This is a ruse for a total government take-over of the ENTIRE field of medicine.

Eventually ALL doctors, and nurses will be government employees, and all medical manufacturing, and supply will be under the federal government.
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I don't think the Federal Government has the ability to negotiate lower prices. If anything, they will put suppliers, and manufacturers out of business,
Oh no they won't. rx prices are far beyond the pale. Ttrust me they will survive and still be billionares.

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Eventually ALL doctors, and nurses will be government employees, and all medical manufacturing, and supply will be under the federal government.
mmm what was said when Medicare then Medicaid were first proposed.
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Oh no they won't. rx prices are far beyond the pale. Ttrust me they will survive and still be billionares.

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mmm what was said when Medicare then Medicaid were first proposed.


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It's closer to having the ability to negotiate prices for drugs, medical equipment, etc. on a national scale, and having less of a bureaucracy and far fewer middlemen to pay out compared to our system. For example, we spend about five times as much per person on just administrative costs as they do in Canada.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...ts/%3famp=true

Besides, we deny care all the time over here. It wasn't until the ACA when a person could either be denied coverage for a procedure or even lose their insurance if an underlying pre-existing condition was "discovered".
And if a person is uninsured or underinsured, that makes it a lot more likely they would self-deny medical care because they simply cannot afford the extravagant price tag.
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at that statement. When as the gov't EVER resisted the temptation to pile on layer upon layer of bureaucracy? Name one program where the gov't is efficient at ANYTHING.

With that comment, I couldn't even read the rest of the post as it is based upon some seriously flawed logic.
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It's closer to having the ability to negotiate prices for drugs, medical equipment, etc. on a national scale, and having less of a bureaucracy and far fewer middlemen to pay out compared to our system. For example, we spend about five times as much per person on just administrative costs as they do in Canada.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.co...ts/%3famp=true

Besides, we deny care all the time over here. It wasn't until the ACA when a person could either be denied coverage for a procedure or even lose their insurance if an underlying pre-existing condition was "discovered".
And if a person is uninsured or underinsured, that makes it a lot more likely they would self-deny medical care because they simply cannot afford the extravagant price tag.
Do you not view the government as 'middlemen'? Does the government not have 'administrative costs'? Are there not predetermined wage hikes via the GWU (where applicable) regardless of merit, increasing 'administrative costs' without additional production?

'Over here', if insurance denies coverage (which is just a method of payment), and all reviews have been exhausted, a person has an option. If they believe it is something they must have, then they can pay for it themselves, if they have the means to. There are also other countries that may offer the same service for less. Once the government is involved, that option goes away. We've seen the results of that in the UK.

The pre-existing condition clause was about the only worthwhile thing that came out of the ACA, but gone about so far wrong it would take the government or a committee to screw it up so completely. I estimate approximately two pages of legalese could have addressed that issue. I do not see it as an effective reason to maintain any pretense that the ACA was a 'good thing'.

Once again, let Medicare be expanded to those who want it, and leave the rest of us alone.
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