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I've said this before...

Everybody keeps arguing over who is going to pay for $45 Tylenols and $4000-a-night hospital beds but NO ONE is doing sh*t about the fact that $45 Tylenols and $4000-a-night hospital beds EXIST...
they won't with medicare for all.
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Easily remedied. Do away with any government mandates for insurance, remove the tax incentive for employers to provide insurance and get comprehensive tort reform. All of those excess charges would disappear quickly.
yeah just like when we loosened pollution and safety regulations, nobody got cancer from pesticides or died from tainted food. thanks, genius guy!
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i've said this before...

Everybody keeps arguing over who is going to pay for $45 tylenols and $4000-a-night hospital beds but no one is doing sh*t about the fact that $45 tylenols and $4000-a-night hospital beds exist...
that right there. ^^^^^
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they won't with medicare for all.
Do you have an honest clue what 'medicare for all' actually is, and the monetary impact?

You basically want practitioners to be paid so little, that practicing medicine is no long viable, so the dependency on government largess increases, and we have the Soviet government right here.

And you have the nerve to say Conservatives don't care about future generations.....
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Do you have an honest clue what 'medicare for all' actually is, and the monetary impact?

You basically want practitioners to be paid so little, that practicing medicine is no long viable, so the dependency on government largess increases, and we have the Soviet government right here.

And you have the nerve to say Conservatives don't care about future generations.....
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they won't with medicare for all.
Under medicare for all, prices will be way higher than they are now.

But government will have to pay for them, not the people.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0EggrVxCJA

Anyone else ever hear of this?
No, but that's pretty interesting.

I've been told for a while now that JFK wouldn't fit in at all in today's Democratic Party. Given what he ran on, his pride as a liberal Democrat, and what he accomplished and tried to accomplish as president, I don't see a whole lot of daylight between him and today's Democrats other than things one could contribute to being a product of his time.

If JFK were running for president today, Republicans would probably be calling him a socialist that wants to give people "free stuff" in regards to healthcare, social security, and raising the minimum wage. . They complained with the dreaded s word back when he first tried to get Medicare established.
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Under medicare for all, prices will be way higher than they are now.

But government will have to pay for them, not the people.

Right Salty?
Except that costs per capita are lower in countries that have some form of universal health insurance, not the other way around. We're the odd man out in this case. We have the most "free market" healthcare in the the industrialized world, but we pay the most, we're the priciest on the user end at the point of service, and we have worst coverage gaps with millions uninsured and millions more beyond that who are underinsured.

So I reject the notion that if we switched to Medicare-for-all, our health care costs would be way higher than they are now.
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Except that costs per capita are lower in countries that have some form of universal health insurance, not the other way around. We're the odd man out in this case. We have the most "free market" healthcare in the the industrialized world, but we pay the most, we're the priciest on the user end at the point of service, and we have worst coverage gaps with millions uninsured and millions more beyond that who are underinsured.

So I reject the notion that if we switched to Medicare-for-all, our health care costs would be way higher than they are now.
Ok, so let's say the cost per capita IS lower. That doesn't take into account the cost for the humongous new government bureaucracy and the new taxes and fees that will be taken from everyone.

There is no way we can add 1,000's upon 1,000's of new government healthcare rolls, and keep costs down, UNLESS we stick it to the actual healthcare workers and doctors.

But hey, maybe our deductible will go down, and we will all save money.
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Except that costs per capita are lower in countries that have some form of universal health insurance, not the other way around. We're the odd man out in this case. We have the most "free market" healthcare in the the industrialized world, but we pay the most, we're the priciest on the user end at the point of service, and we have worst coverage gaps with millions uninsured and millions more beyond that who are underinsured.

So I reject the notion that if we switched to Medicare-for-all, our health care costs would be way higher than they are now.
The lower costs per capita... couldn't, by chance, have to do with denying care, or restricting access to certain procedures or drugs, could it?

M4A does nothing about the actual costs. It only addresses what the government would pay, on the people's behalf. I wonder how the free markets would address that.
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