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Economics Discuss Philadelphia’s Soda Tax Bombed As Predicted at the Political Forums; Originally Posted by cnredd Here's the thing, though... The city councilweasels that pass junk like this tell you this will ...

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Here's the thing, though...

The city councilweasels that pass junk like this tell you this will bring in "X" millions and it NEVER comes to fruition...

Either one of two things are happening...

1) They honestly believed it would bring in "X" millions and have the math skills of a 3-toe'd sloth...

2)They KNEW this would never bring in "X" millions, but said so to gain support, because saying why they REALLY passed it would have little support (which is to come down from their ivory tower and tell you how you should live because they know what's best for you better than you do)…

I think it's more #2...
Wow. What do you have against 3-toe'd sloth's to put them at the same low level as those idiots that passed these taxes?
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Again, you totally miss the point. Governments can tax soft drinks if they choose. That doesn't mean it makes economic sense. Cities who try taxes such as this drive business elsewhere and lose, not gain revenue and people don't stop drinking soft drinks.
People don't stop smoking. They pay $11 a pack for generic cigarets in Seattle and elsewhere where there are big tobacco taxes. Tobacco certainly brings in revenue to states and counties, cities, etc. It's the acceptance of sugar and fat as exempt from the so-called sin tax that causes these measures to fail.
Once cigarettes were culturally accepted as dangerous nasty and bad for your health, the sky's the limit on how much a state or city can add to them.
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People don't stop smoking. They pay $11 a pack for generic cigarets in Seattle and elsewhere where there are big tobacco taxes. Tobacco certainly brings in revenue to states and counties, cities, etc. It's the acceptance of sugar and fat as exempt from the so-called sin tax that causes these measures to fail.
Once cigarettes were culturally accepted as dangerous nasty and bad for your health, the sky's the limit on how much a state or city can add to them.
So then, you agree that it is an acceptable function of government to use the tax code as a weapon to use against citizens to shape behavior?
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People don't stop smoking. They pay $11 a pack for generic cigarets in Seattle and elsewhere where there are big tobacco taxes. Tobacco certainly brings in revenue to states and counties, cities, etc. It's the acceptance of sugar and fat as exempt from the so-called sin tax that causes these measures to fail.
Once cigarettes were culturally accepted as dangerous nasty and bad for your health, the sky's the limit on how much a state or city can add to them.
So, like, if the government suddenly and without justification, labels a common gas as toxic, they can use that to tax citizens to death in order to modify their behavior?

Yeah, right!

The purpose of taxation in a Democratic Republic, is not to modify behavior, but to raise revenue for "necessary" expenses of government.
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People don't stop smoking. They pay $11 a pack for generic cigarets in Seattle and elsewhere where there are big tobacco taxes. Tobacco certainly brings in revenue to states and counties, cities, etc. It's the acceptance of sugar and fat as exempt from the so-called sin tax that causes these measures to fail.
Once cigarettes were culturally accepted as dangerous nasty and bad for your health, the sky's the limit on how much a state or city can add to them.
https://www.seattlebusinessmag.com/p...te-consumption

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So then, you agree that it is an acceptable function of government to use the tax code as a weapon to use against citizens to shape behavior?
nope but what's good for the goose is good for the gander so if we are doing that with one vice we can do it with another. smokers have paid for a lotta stuff over the years. and drinkers too come to think of it. Let's get some mt dew addicts taxed or forget about any of it.
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nope but what's good for the goose is good for the gander so if we are doing that with one vice we can do it with another. smokers have paid for a lotta stuff over the years. and drinkers too come to think of it. Let's get some mt dew addicts taxed or forget about any of it.
And you incorrectly assume that I am OK with those other sin taxes. Fact of the matter is that, as Frank stated, taxes are put in place to raise revenue to keep the government functioning. Sin taxes are attempts to change public behavior. And what becomes acceptable to one group (Democrats for example) may be deemed unacceptable by the next group coming into power (Republicans). The old adage of "be careful what you ask for" becomes even more apparent if you look at the big picture.
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nope but what's good for the goose is good for the gander so if we are doing that with one vice we can do it with another. smokers have paid for a lotta stuff over the years. and drinkers too come to think of it. Let's get some mt dew addicts taxed or forget about any of it.
Okay. Then let's tax reading the bible.
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And you incorrectly assume that I am OK with those other sin taxes. Fact of the matter is that, as Frank stated, taxes are put in place to raise revenue to keep the government functioning. Sin taxes are attempts to change public behavior. And what becomes acceptable to one group (Democrats for example) may be deemed unacceptable by the next group coming into power (Republicans). The old adage of "be careful what you ask for" becomes even more apparent if you look at the big picture.
So go to bat for tobacco farmers and alcohol distillers and raise heck about that!
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So go to bat for tobacco farmers and alcohol distillers and raise heck about that!
I'm not the one that levied taxes on soda nor am I the one that started the thread. But since someone did, I posted my opinion just as you did. My opinion was that this is another example of government trying influence behavior through the tax code and you seem to be in favor of it.

Does that about sum it up?
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