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You know, some of the Progressive candidates have suggested every American get $1000 a month from the government as a minimum living stipend. Along with that,,, free educations, and healthcare as well. Why not include a provided balanced stock portfolio in the package of American citizen birthrights?
Bad idea, the government would be picking winners and losers inevitably driven by politics. Companies chosen for the portfolio would have a government subsidy.
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Bad idea, the government would be picking winners and losers inevitably driven by politics. Companies chosen for the portfolio would have a government subsidy.
Of course it is a bad idea. That's why I posted the sarcasm warning.

But the logic of guaranteed income, and other "positive rights" like housing, education and healthcare could be further corrupted by the idea that a caretaker nation should invest in a portfolio, by proxy, for the benefit of the citizen.

To your point, ALL of this is simply wrong because a limited government, as ours was originally constructed, should not be a caretaker. Positive rights are the antithesis of our original founding. They will be the end of us.
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One man's trash is another man's treasure.

It's very clear that you don't like Trump, neither do I. The difference being, is you've let your dislike color everything that is happening in this country, good or bad. And nothing can be good, cause Trump may have been involved. And everything bad, is Trumps fault. Does that about cover it?

I don't like Trump. I didn't like Obama either. But the positives that can be gleaned from each administration have their own value. So do the negatives. But at the end of the game, be it in 2020, or 2024, barring unforeseen personal issues, we will likely both be still alive. And, if you plan well, the better for it.
The only thing anyone ever says that tRUmp has done well is the economy. And that's pretty much a lie when you actually look at the facts.

So what exactly has tRUmp done that is good?

and does that outweigh locking kids in cages? or cozying up to dictators and fascists? or betraying our INtelligence Agencys and helping Putin cover up his attacks on our democracy? or obstructing justice? or a bazillion other things that we learn about on a daily basis?

why do you pretend that there is some sort of moral equivalency between tRUmp and Obama?
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Of course it is a bad idea. That's why I posted the sarcasm warning.

But the logic of guaranteed income, and other "positive rights" like housing, education and healthcare could be further corrupted by the idea that a caretaker nation should invest in a portfolio, by proxy, for the benefit of the citizen.

To your point, ALL of this is simply wrong because a limited government, as ours was originally constructed, should not be a caretaker. Positive rights are the antithesis of our original founding. They will be the end of us.
The reason people are thinking about these types of programs dates back to what Richard Nixon said that in the future robotics would replace almost all human labor.
That time is at our door step and we had better be ready for it.
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The only thing anyone ever says that tRUmp has done well is the economy. And that's pretty much a lie when you actually look at the facts.

So what exactly has tRUmp done that is good?

and does that outweigh locking kids in cages? or cozying up to dictators and fascists? or betraying our INtelligence Agencys and helping Putin cover up his attacks on our democracy? or obstructing justice? or a bazillion other things that we learn about on a daily basis?

why do you pretend that there is some sort of moral equivalency between tRUmp and Obama?
Trump has done well with the economy.
Trump has done well with unemployment.
Trump has done well with removing the burdens of the mandates of the PPACA.

Please do some research on the things that you point up as Trumps failures. Several were continuation of existing policies, several have been proven as not true, and several are, once again, coloration based on a hatred.

Where, and please specify exactly, and link it, I have made amoral equivalency between Obama and Trump? Hint: I haven't. I dislike both for different reasons, and that is something the Democrats/Liberals cannot allow themselves to understand.
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The reason people are thinking about these types of programs dates back to what Richard Nixon said that in the future robotics would replace almost all human labor.
That time is at our door step and we had better be ready for it.
I doubt Nixon said that. Never seen it quoted to him But regardless, it is totally untrue. Time and time again, it is proven robotics makes workers more productive. It does not eliminate them.

As for positive rights, they are part and parcel of Socialism and Communism. These ideas were discussed as new forms of governments in the mid 19th century. 100 years before President Nixon held checkers up by his ears on TV. They existed in our government long before Nixon as the products of legislation by Woodrow Wilson, FDR and socialist democrats.
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Trump has done well with the economy.
How? Specificly, what has he done? Truth is, he hasn't done anything but ride Obama's coattails and doom the economy in the future. You know it.


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Trump has done well with unemployment.
are you kidding? 75 percent of all jobs created last year were created in California. Furthermore, Job creation under tRUmp has been lower than every year under Obama except the first 2.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#320a566c25ab

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#320a566c25ab



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Trump has done well with removing the burdens of the mandates of the PPACA.
YOu think sabotaging the ACA is a good thing? You don't like people having healthcare? what is wrong with you?

So that's it then? you cant name a anything else that you think tRUmp has accomplished that's a good thing? 3 bull**** answers and you wonder why people think Conservatives are the most gullible stupid people on earth?

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Please do some research on the things that you point up as Trumps failures. Several were continuation of existing policies, several have been proven as not true, and several are, once again, coloration based on a hatred.

Where, and please specify exactly, and link it, I have made amoral equivalency between Obama and Trump? Hint: I haven't. I dislike both for different reasons, and that is something the Democrats/Liberals cannot allow themselves to understand.
Literally, pull your head out your ass. How many times do I need to make a list of things that you then just ignore. See you don't actually argue in good faith. Here I'll do it one more time, just so you can pretend you didn't see it and ignore it again.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/t...ion-conflicts/


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Donald Trump promised to drain the Washington swamp. Instead, he has surrounded himself with family members, appointees and advisers who’ve been accused of conflicts of interest , Misuse of public funds, influence peddling , Self-enrichment, working for foreign governments, Agent for foreign government, failure to disclose information and v Violating ethics rules. Some are Under investigation or facing lawsuits, others have resigned and five have either been convicted or pleaded guilty, including three for lying to government officials . Scandals plague all administrations, but Trump’s is only two years old and the allegations keep on coming.


Here's some more

The Trump Organization partnered with the Azerbaijani Mammadov family who the Trumps knew were laundering money for the IRGC, an Iranian Terrorist group. Ivanka oversaw the project, which only ended after the election in 2016.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...mps-worst-deal


there is a million more instances that have been shoved in your face daily, yet you continue to pretend they don't exist. That's why i call you a liar.

I mean, if you really actually wanted answers you can easily find them, go to google and start searching, or keep pretending to be some open minded person who doesn't like tRUmp when all you ever do is carry is water and defend his bull****.
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How? Specificly, what has he done? Truth is, he hasn't done anything but ride Obama's coattails and doom the economy in the future. You know it.

are you kidding? 75 percent of all jobs created last year were created in California. Furthermore, Job creation under tRUmp has been lower than every year under Obama except the first 2.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#320a566c25ab

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#320a566c25ab

YOu think sabotaging the ACA is a good thing? You don't like people having healthcare? what is wrong with you?

So that's it then? you cant name a anything else that you think tRUmp has accomplished that's a good thing? 3 bull**** answers and you wonder why people think Conservatives are the most gullible stupid people on earth?

Literally, pull your head out your ass. How many times do I need to make a list of things that you then just ignore. See you don't actually argue in good faith. Here I'll do it one more time, just so you can pretend you didn't see it and ignore it again.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/t...ion-conflicts/

Here's some more

The Trump Organization partnered with the Azerbaijani Mammadov family who the Trumps knew were laundering money for the IRGC, an Iranian Terrorist group. Ivanka oversaw the project, which only ended after the election in 2016.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...mps-worst-deal


there is a million more instances that have been shoved in your face daily, yet you continue to pretend they don't exist. That's why i call you a liar.

I mean, if you really actually wanted answers you can easily find them, go to google and start searching, or keep pretending to be some open minded person who doesn't like tRUmp when all you ever do is carry is water and defend his bull****.
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How? Specificly, what has he done? Truth is, he hasn't done anything but ride Obama's coattails and doom the economy in the future. You know it.




are you kidding? 75 percent of all jobs created last year were created in California. Furthermore, Job creation under tRUmp has been lower than every year under Obama except the first 2.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#320a566c25ab

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjo.../#320a566c25ab





YOu think sabotaging the ACA is a good thing? You don't like people having healthcare? what is wrong with you?

So that's it then? you cant name a anything else that you think tRUmp has accomplished that's a good thing? 3 bull**** answers and you wonder why people think Conservatives are the most gullible stupid people on earth?



Literally, pull your head out your ass. How many times do I need to make a list of things that you then just ignore. See you don't actually argue in good faith. Here I'll do it one more time, just so you can pretend you didn't see it and ignore it again.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/t...ion-conflicts/






Here's some more

The Trump Organization partnered with the Azerbaijani Mammadov family who the Trumps knew were laundering money for the IRGC, an Iranian Terrorist group. Ivanka oversaw the project, which only ended after the election in 2016.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...mps-worst-deal


there is a million more instances that have been shoved in your face daily, yet you continue to pretend they don't exist. That's why i call you a liar.

I mean, if you really actually wanted answers you can easily find them, go to google and start searching, or keep pretending to be some open minded person who doesn't like tRUmp when all you ever do is carry is water and defend his bull****.
Stop lying and misleading. No one wants to remove health care access from the American people. It's healthcare insurance that is the issue. That and the systemized regulations and operations of the Healthcare industry which the government now controls. It is the Achille's heel written into the ACA act by the Democrats who knew "insurance" would be a fatal flaw. And would give them a persistent problem to which they could promise to solve every 2 years for a decade, bringing us finally to single payer.

Because it is baked into the cake, separation is almost impossible, giving Republicans few options. Options that become even more rare as each year passes under the Health care provider systemized controls of the ACA.

California, not so fast;
California should lead the nation in job creation. By far it is the most populous state. So by sheer numbers it should have the most jobs available.
Los Angeles county alone is larger in population than forty other states in the Union. How does it compare to each of them in Job creation?

I'm betting California is still part of the Union and as such what President Trump did to promote job creation across the USA worked in California.. it is unfair to separate it as somehow "Special."
All you have done is prove statistics, if tortured enough, or miss represented, will tell what you want. And the gullible will go for it.

I didn't. Most Trump supporters here don't.

Ya disproved the OP. Nice!
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