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THANK YOU TUCKER CARLSON
Are we tools of capitalism and technology or are capitalism and technology tools of the people.

while Ben Shaprio makes some Superb points in many areas. I've never been a capitalist purist. Capitalism is great but it's not a holy perfection that must be allowed full unhindered reign. It has to be subject to our better moral natures and humanity or it simply becomes nearly as much of a slave master as socialism/communism.

Great points made by Carlson here.


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Tucker's embrace of a Progressive managed economy illustrates the necessity to question his conclusions despite the accuracy of his assessments in other areas. The Daily Caller online publication founder eagerly embraces the Luddite prohibition of automated trucking as a jobs preservation measure ignoring the havoc wrought on printed publications by his creation.

Tucker cites 4 year college graduates not finding high paying jobs as proof of the economy failing to provide adequate opportunity. Left unmentioned is the great higher education scam producing hundreds of thousands of graduates in areas without job demand. But it's the capitalist system that's to blame for not paying history majors like chemical engineering graduates.

Just like FDR had a million piglets destroyed and thousands of acres of wheat plowed under during the height of the great Depression to boost farm prices, in recent times Obama nationalized the auto manufacturing industry passing out the spoils of plundering the public Treasury to the UAW and Fiat a foreign manufacturer in the name of saving jobs during a time of economic distress. Tucker seems willing to ignore the abuses inherent in government meddling in the name of the People to "protect" us from the capitalist system that has delivered the most prosperity to the most people in history.
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Tucker's embrace of a Progressive managed economy illustrates the necessity to question his conclusions despite the accuracy of his assessments in other areas. The Daily Caller online publication founder eagerly embraces the Luddite prohibition of automated trucking as a jobs preservation measure ignoring the havoc wrought on printed publications by his creation.

Tucker cites 4 year college graduates not finding high paying jobs as proof of the economy failing to provide adequate opportunity. Left unmentioned is the great higher education scam producing hundreds of thousands of graduates in areas without job demand. But it's the capitalist system that's to blame for not paying history majors like chemical engineering graduates.

Just like FDR had a million piglets destroyed and thousands of acres of wheat plowed under during the height of the great Depression to boost farm prices, in recent times Obama nationalized the auto manufacturing industry passing out the spoils of plundering the public Treasury to the UAW and Fiat a foreign manufacturer in the name of saving jobs during a time of economic distress. Tucker seems willing to ignore the abuses inherent in government meddling in the name of the People to "protect" us from the capitalist system that has delivered the most prosperity to the most people in history.
seems He's not ignoring the negative aspects of Gov't meddling.
Or embracing the "progressives".
That's the kind of extreme caricature that he's talking about that the left and right make, so that he can't even get an honest policy conversation going. Folks of both sides are to often blindly ideologically committed or party/personality committed rather than looking at the situation from the ground up.

I mean c'mon the idea that ANY and ALL gov't actions in the economy are negative or "progressive" is a lie.
AZ, Trump is using protectionist options to protect U.S. jobs with tariffs and other orders. Is he a progressive? Is he FDR? Has he "embrace of a Progressive managed economy illustrates the necessity to question his conclusions despite the accuracy of his assessments in other areas."?

When Trump promised to "bring back American Jobs" how was he going to do that as president of the U.S.? It's supposedly by using the (legit) powers of the Gov't office. By removing some regs, changing others and adding others.

Tossing people into the Progressive corner just because they want to use the powers of Gov't help ease major economic transitions for Americans is not full blown progressivism, socialism or communism.

Trumps ideas about immigration changes the "free market" activity as well.
Those people are here to get jobs. Is it progressive to BLOCK or Control immigration when businesses large and small WANT the cheap labor? They are willing to work for far less than minimum wage, so that's good right? Why are immigration rules controlling the free economy?

the issues here are not black and white.
Progressive OR Capitalist. There's real nuance that should be addressed policy wise.
the gov't does play a roll and can play a positive role. the problem is some folks seem to think the gov't should do it all, and others pretend the gov't should do nothing. Often while they benefit from various gov't programs, protections and laws themselves.

Just seems clear to me it's not an all or nothing situation dude.
Each proposal should to be looked at on it’s merits not so much whether or not it loosely fits into the changing tribal politically categories of “progressive” or “free-market”.
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seems He's not ignoring the negative aspects of Gov't meddling.
Or embracing the "progressives".
That's the kind of extreme caricature that he's talking about that the left and right make, so that he can't even get an honest policy conversation going. Folks of both sides are to often blindly ideologically committed or party/personality committed rather than looking at the situation from the ground up.

I mean c'mon the idea that ANY and ALL gov't actions in the economy are negative or "progressive" is a lie.
AZ, Trump is using protectionist options to protect U.S. jobs with tariffs and other orders. Is he a progressive? Is he FDR? Has he "embrace of a Progressive managed economy illustrates the necessity to question his conclusions despite the accuracy of his assessments in other areas."?

When Trump promised to "bring back American Jobs" how was he going to do that as president of the U.S.? It's supposedly by using the (legit) powers of the Gov't office. By removing some regs, changing others and adding others.

Tossing people into the Progressive corner just because they want to use the powers of Gov't help ease major economic transitions for Americans is not full blown progressivism, socialism or communism.

Trumps ideas about immigration changes the "free market" activity as well.
Those people are here to get jobs. Is it progressive to BLOCK or Control immigration when businesses large and small WANT the cheap labor? They are willing to work for far less than minimum wage, so that's good right? Why are immigration rules controlling the free economy?

the issues here are not black and white.
Progressive OR Capitalist. There's real nuance that should be addressed policy wise.
the gov't does play a roll and can play a positive role. the problem is some folks seem to think the gov't should do it all, and others pretend the gov't should do nothing. Often while they benefit from various gov't programs, protections and laws themselves.

Just seems clear to me it's not an all or nothing situation dude.
Each proposal should to be looked at on it’s merits not so much whether or not it loosely fits into the changing tribal politically categories of “progressive” or “free-market”.
Hmm... Are we watching the same video? In the one I viewed Tucker attacked the free market because 4 year college graduates cannot get good jobs and mocked opposition to banning automated trucking because truck driving is the top profession of people without a college degree. Pointing out the fallacy of these claims is not a wholesale rejection of any government regulation, it's an understanding that this kind of government meddling no matter how noble it sounds ends up with far more negative impacts than positive consequences.

Focusing in on the student loan program we find the noble sounding goal of college for everyone is actually a scam to subsidize colleges and universities as they churn out graduates in areas with very little possibility of finding work in their "major." The Federal student loan program began as a way to bridge the gap in science and technology graduates with the USSR. As is typical of programs useful for vote buying student loans are now available for virtually any area of study. Atypical of his usual reasoned analysis Tucker condemns the economic system rather than looking at the government meddling responsible for creating it.

Tucker blithely endorses the government lying to the public about safety concerns to preserve truck driving jobs. That's the kind of perverted noblesse oblige that assumes today's truck drivers are incapable of changing professions or even understanding what is driving the change an so consumers must be forced to pay higher prices due to government meddling.

No, Tucker is not FDR. But he parrots Progressive economic policies that don't solve the "problem" he raises or have negative consequences that far outweigh the intended benefits. With minimal regulation the free market adjusts capital allocation to the most efficient delivery of goods and services to the most people. Government meddling in the form of excessive regulation and subsidies picks winners and losers according to the whims of political fortune.
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