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Funny how the economy is said to be doing well yet we have this.... Or is this wrong?

When I first went to work I had it hard like this... Thank god for my grandparents allowing me their home till I got ahead.


A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US


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Funny how the economy is said to be doing well yet we have this.... Or is this wrong?

When I first went to work I had it hard like this... Thank god for my grandparents allowing me their home till I got ahead.


A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US


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yep was talking about this lately. thing is activists want to push wage to 15 and we all said hey we made that and more 30 years ago
america never gonna be the same
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The problem is that a moron like this has two (and a half) full-time jobs with no actual skills...

It's absurd to believe someone with zero actual skills should be able to earn living wages knowing nothing...These jobs SHOULD be for teenagers and the elderly...NOT someone "trying to get by"..
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Funny how the economy is said to be doing well yet we have this.... Or is this wrong?

When I first went to work I had it hard like this... Thank god for my grandparents allowing me their home till I got ahead.


A minimum-wage worker needs 2.5 full-time jobs to afford a one-bedroom apartment in most of the US


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Simple solution, put yourself in a position to not be a minimum wage earner.

This is done by educating yourself or doing a good job so you get promoted, or both.
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The problem is that a moron like this has two (and a half) full-time jobs with no actual skills...

It's absurd to believe someone with zero actual skills should be able to earn living wages knowing nothing...These jobs SHOULD be for teenagers and the elderly...NOT someone "trying to get by"..
Most of the guys that went into factories and mining and warehouse work and many other professions in the past had "no skills" but were trained to the do the work, got fat paychecks (often because of unions). And the salaries from that ONE "unskilled" job stayed high enough to cover them in a home, with a "non-working" wife and 2.3 kids for 30-40 years. Those jobs are not as available.

many of the men and woman that came back from WW2 had "no skills" many had gone from the farms to War. the GI bill gave many of them paid college/tech educations. And the Military had given many leadership skills and taught discipline.

the world has changed we all know it. Anyone willing to worked 2.5 minimum wage jobs Obviously has a work ethic down. Getting training to move up is not easy especially when your simply struggling to eat.
And "good jobs" being available to move into is not some GIVEN.
There are various routes that America has for a better life but the point is MANY of the older routes for "unskilled" workers have CLOSED for good.
the question is are we just going to piss on the people that are trying to swim in these new waters or try and help figure out ways that more can be successful as well.
And i don't mean "gov't programs" necessarily but Unions are private, co-ops, various education options, maybe businesses turning back toward mentorships and paid apprenticeships.

the GI bill was a gov't program and most credit it with helping created the well educated "skilled" work force of the past. But education is not enough. there are TONS of college grads working at bars and waiting tables. the TYPE of jobs that pay in their fields are often not broad enough to handle the number of workers available.


the issues are real and not just summed up in "no skills".
And if we want America to thrive collectively we should all consider the problems of others here in more full spectrum ways. Rather than just dismissing people's problems a ONLY self made and ONLY self rectified.
I suspect that All of us here have been blessed by our circumstances, and not just by our choices.
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Less than 3% of workers earn minimum wage.
Minimum wage is for students and the mentally handicapped. Both of which are developing skills for better paying jobs.

I wonder who the idiot is that somehow decided (all on his own) that a minimum wage job is supposedly intended to support an adult person of sound mind and body, much less a family.

This isn't a news article, it is a propaganda piece that preys upon the weak of mind and intelligence. If you fell for it, your job will probably soon be replaced by a robot.
Best learn engineering, computer programming or robotics if you want to be relevant in the future. Be Best.
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I'm not sure what world some folks are living it but there are a lot more than 3% of people that work at basically minimum wage or below.

When i was laid off of my well paid high skill job of 30 years, 4 yrs ago, one thing i did was taxi cab driving. Some weeks i made LESS than minimum wage. and i wasn't the only driver with that problem. I tried other delivery jobs, same thing. Driving a bus for the handicapped, not commission work, but barely above minimum wage. At ALL of those jobs and more there were people trying to make it work usually simply by putting in the hours. (And in some cases demands by the employer to work OT or get fired from the crap paying job.) I've met trained nurses assistants doing in-home health making just barely over minimum wage. Same with Lifeguards, ski patrol, and other recreational protective service workers, Manicurists and pedicurists as well. And of course many cashiers , waitress and other food service jobs. Hotel workers are notoriously low paid often minimum wage or less, janitorial and some lawn maintenance services as well.

3% is a BS number, not reflexive of the real world.
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I'm not sure what world some folks are living it but there are a lot more than 3% of people that work at basically minimum wage or below.

When i was laid off of my well paid high skill job of 30 years, 4 yrs ago, one thing i did was taxi cab driving. Some weeks i made LESS than minimum wage. and i wasn't the only driver with that problem. I tried other delivery jobs, same thing. Driving a bus for the handicapped, not commission work, but barely above minimum wage. At ALL of those jobs and more there were people trying to make it work usually simply by putting in the hours. (And in some cases demands by the employer to work OT or get fired from the crap paying job.) I've met trained nurses assistants doing in-home health making just barely over minimum wage. Same with Lifeguards, ski patrol, and other recreational protective service workers, Manicurists and pedicurists as well. And of course many cashiers , waitress and other food service jobs. Hotel workers are notoriously low paid often minimum wage or less, janitorial and some lawn maintenance services as well.

3% is a BS number, not reflexive of the real world.
So are you still working at a minimum wage job? Or did you find a way out of the situation? You just make my point.

Your nurse example is another example. I personally know three nurses very well. All are above $100K. I know another just starting. I don't know what she makes, but obviously not $100 K, certainly more than minimum wage. She's 20 with less than a college degree, but more than HS. I think a couple years. She has nowhere to go but up.

Manicurists, lifeguards, hotel workers, cashiers, et al sound like temporary entry low level jobs or very low skill jobs. Either way, it's up to you what you do with them.
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The problem is that a moron like this has two (and a half) full-time jobs with no actual skills...

It's absurd to believe someone with zero actual skills should be able to earn living wages knowing nothing...These jobs SHOULD be for teenagers and the elderly...NOT someone "trying to get by"..
point taken but will 7 an hour help him get through college..and is he even college material. there was a time you could go in as an apprentice or flunky and work your way up.. those times are gone for the average joe.
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Minimum wage was conceived a baseline wage to prevent the abuse and exploitation of child labor.

This concept that a minimum wage should be a living wage harps back to the Roosevelt notion that all should have a house as a civil right. The math didn't work in 1932 and almost 80 years later, no one has managed to make it work.

I suggesting, perhaps the math will never work. That doesn't make me heartless, just honest about the facts.

Two people, working one job each at minimum wage can afford a decent place to live most anywhere in America but the cities on the east and western coasts. Add another buck to either and they can drive a late model Chevy as well.

That math works. I've seen it. And when my wife and I first started out, we lived it. I've go neighbors living in a house just like mine making little more them Minimum wage. Three bedroom two car garage ranch with a late model Chevy Malibu in the driveway.

Both show up for work every day. That may have something to do with it.
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