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I sent my prediction to Steve Lookner on twitter
Moore 60/ Jones 40.
That is actually close to what I thought it would be.

The first hint that Roy Moore might be in trouble--at least, the first that I saw--was the fact that there was a heavy turnout. This seemed to indicate that many people were turning out merely to vote against Moore.

Two other things sank him:

For one, it is my understanding that Alabama is about one-quarter black; and blacks voted, as a bloc, against Moore.

Also, suburban women--who, for the most part, appeared to believe the allegations against Moore (from almost four decades ago)--voted as a bloc, also. (They appeared to place character above issues--and even above the composition of the Senate.)
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it was a victory for democrats, hard work and the women and African Americans of Alabama. Lets hope the dnc stays on point for awhile. Oh and it was a victory for Mitch McConnell and an equal loss for the one who shall not be named. hint: he holds a pitchfork in snl skits.
yes it was a victory for Mitch McConnell. Along with holding back some 300 bills off the Senate floor he is doing well to stop legislation Trump would sign and for which the President would get some due credit.

Sadly, Had Moore won, the Senate could have rejected him and the Republican governor of Alabama would have legally replaced him with a new republican Senator. So he had noting to lose, or fear, from a Moore win.

Not so smart Mitch.

McConnell's strategy of keeping bills in his desk reminds me of Harry Reid's leadership in the Senate. Add to that, his inability to corral Republican Senators to support legislation passed by the House and I would conclude that we have an obstructionist running the Senate. With all the work that WE THE PEOPLE need done, he is not winning points with American people who have worked hard to put the GOP in power over the last 4 years.
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Politico posts this ONE DAY before the election...

How conveeeenient...

Secret super PAC backing Jones in Alabama exposed

So a super PAC throws $4 million of outside money to the candidate who ran on not being part of the big money machine...

Had the public known this little earlier, it probably would've made a difference...
Wow a liberal group supports a Democrat. Shocker.
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That is actually close to what I thought it would be.

The first hint that Roy Moore might be in trouble--at least, the first that I saw--was the fact that there was a heavy turnout. This seemed to indicate that many people were turning out merely to vote against Moore.

Two other things sank him:

For one, it is my understanding that Alabama is about one-quarter black; and blacks voted, as a bloc, against Moore.

Also, suburban women--who, for the most part, appeared to believe the allegations against Moore (from almost four decades ago)--voted as a bloc, also. (They appeared to place character above issues--and even above the composition of the Senate.)
yes I agree with your assessment. The comments going around social media were "decency wins," or some such derivation of the phrase. I agree with that too. In the light of day, I don't think this is a definer of the future in party politics(as I previously indicated), just this moment with so many forces coming together (weinstein, how the primary went, election date being changed, #metoo campaign...)
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yes it was a victory for Mitch McConnell. Along with holding back some 300 bills off the Senate floor he is doing well to stop legislation Trump would sign and for which the President would get some due credit.

Sadly, Had Moore won, the Senate could have rejected him and the Republican governor of Alabama would have legally replaced him with a new republican Senator. So he had noting to lose, or fear, from a Moore win.

Not so smart Mitch.

McConnell's strategy of keeping bills in his desk reminds me of Harry Reid's leadership in the Senate. Add to that, his inability to corral Republican Senators to support legislation passed by the House and I would conclude that we have an obstructionist running the Senate. With all the work that WE THE PEOPLE need done, he is not winning points with American people who have worked hard to put the GOP in power over the last 4 years.
which bills?
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It may be of note that Roy Moore has still not conceded the race. The reflexive view of this is that he is merely a sore loser. But there may be more at play here than just that.

For one thing, the military vote has not yet come in. And that should go heavily for Moore.

Moreover, many people have bragged that they came from out of state to vote for Moore, just to make sure that "their" candidate would win. (Just how they managed to get on Alabama's voting rolls, however, I have no idea.)

Roy Moore has asked for a recount--although it may be at his own expense. (An automatic recount--paid for by the taxpayers--occurs only when the vote is within one-half of one percent. However, a candidate may request a recount at his own expense if the race is not quite that close.)

This could be interesting...
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which bills?
Why does THAT matter. There are 300 of them,
I'm supposed to know?

You got a computer, do your own home work.
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It may be of note that Roy Moore has still not conceded the race. The reflexive view of this is that he is merely a sore loser. But there may be more at play here than just that.

For one thing, the military vote has not yet come in. And that should go heavily for Moore.

Moreover, many people have bragged that they came from out of state to vote for Moore, just to make sure that "their" candidate would win. (Just how they managed to get on Alabama's voting rolls, however, I have no idea.)

Roy Moore has asked for a recount--although it may be at his own expense. (An automatic recount--paid for by the taxpayers--occurs only when the vote is within one-half of one percent. However, a candidate may request a recount at his own expense if the race is not quite that close.)

This could be interesting...
He will still lose. What could be more interesting would be if Roy spent the same money to go after his accusers, as a private citizen, and clear his name.

He will still be pilloried but, were he to win those cases in court, it would embarrass the Democrats (and the GOP) members that would do anything to keep him out of the Senate.

Bottom line for Roy Moore is, he was a bad candidate, always was. But he always had the support of his base,,,; until these allegations came. funny how 30 years of public life and no sexual complaints until he ran for a crucial and coveted Senate seat.
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Why does THAT matter. There are 300 of them,
I'm supposed to know?

You got a computer, do your own home work.
sorry did a search-couldn't find what you're talking about.
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He will still lose. What could be more interesting would be if Roy spent the same money to go after his accusers, as a private citizen, and clear his name.

He will still be pilloried but, were he to win those cases in court, it would embarrass the Democrats (and the GOP) members that would do anything to keep him out of the Senate.

Bottom line for Roy Moore is, he was a bad candidate, always was. But he always had the support of his base,,,; until these allegations came. funny how 30 years of public life and no sexual complaints until he ran for a crucial and coveted Senate seat.
as I understand it at least one did make a complaint. was tossed aside.
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