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Old 03-19-2017, 12:32 PM
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“Meals on Wheels America,” one such national meal delivery program, says the organization can provide meals for senior citizens for one year for roughly the same cost as just one day in a hospital. The annual meal cost is $2,765 for 250 days (while the cost of one day in the hospital is around $2,271, according to the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit, private operating foundation based in Menlo Park, Calif.). “Meals on Wheels People,” a Portland, Ore.-based service and one of the largest in the country, says it costs $2,500 annually to provide daily meals to a homebound senior, while cost of institutional care for a year in Oregon is around $60,000.

This is how much it costs ?Meals on Wheels? to feed one elderly person for a year - MarketWatch

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Long story short...

What's ACTUALLY being proposed is a BLOCK GRANT cut...

The federal government gives local & state governments "X" amount of money for programs and administrative costs...

Those local & state governments DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES where that federal block grant money goes...

So if the block grant gets cut, the local & state governments could choose to give Program "A" less money...or Program "B" less money...or Program "C" less money (and so on), or a little of each, or simply cut some program directors (or deputy directors), or other administrative costs...

This is NOTHING in the proposal that says "Cut Meals On Wheels"...

That “Trump kills Meals on Wheels” story didn’t hold up for long

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It was the biggest, juiciest story of the week, complete with everything that the mainstream media loves to latch onto. “Trump budget kills Meals on Wheels program!” New jobs would soon be coming available for people willing to push handcarts through towns and cities across the nation, collecting the bodies of starving senior citizens who had fallen victim to the Trump presidency. Heck, I even fell for it myself. After seeing it blasted across social media by so many news outlets it was easy to do. Then came the much less widely reported wrinkle to the story: it wasn’t true.

Walter Olson at National Review did the work that most of the rest of us apparently forgot about and dug into the details. He explains how Community Development Block Grants (CDBG) actually work and why they aren’t as closely tied to Meals on Wheels as the press (or pork barrel loving politicians) would have you believe.

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So where do the federal block grant programs come in? Well, they give states and localities a lot of discretion on where to allocate the money. One option is to add money to supplement Meals on Wheels funding. Some do use it for that purpose.

But as Scott Shackford makes clear in his new piece for Reason, that isn’t what CDBG is mostly about. CDBG funds regularly go into pork-barrel and business-subsidy schemes with a cronyish flavor. That’s why the program has been a prime target for budget-cutters for decades, in administration after administration.

It’s important to the CDBG program’s political durability that its grantees wind up sprinkling a bit of extra money on popular programs mostly funded by other means. That way, defenders can argue that the block grants “fund programs like Meals on Wheels.”
Following the author’s advice, I went to the Meals on Wheels website and found that he pretty much nailed it. This popular program does a lot of good for a lot of people but the structure in terms of how it is organized and funded is complicated to say the least. My mother volunteered as a driver and home checkup person for decades until she was no longer able to do it and she couldn’t say enough good things about it. But the program varies from state to state and city to city in terms of how they get their work done.

Those block grants which could theoretically be on the chopping block if President Trump’s budget were adopted in whole cloth (spoiler alert: it won’t be) do, in some cases, channel some funding to Meals on Wheels. In other locations that money goes to other purposes. One consistent factor is that the program derives its largest portion of federal funding in all locations from money provided through the Older Americans Act. Much of the rest of it comes from private donations and other sources.
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Many years ago I met with Jim Talent, (former Congressman then Senator of MO) and he explained the process of power transfer distilled to a universal sentence.
Power goes with the money.

He explained it clearly and without deceit...;"Every Dollar sent to Washington DC is a transfer of power, even if they send it back in Programs and "Block Grants."

Candidate Trump promised to send the power back to the people.
THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE!

Reducing Federal taxes and subsequently government spending, AKA government Largess, will starve the swamp creatures, not the people.
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“Meals on Wheels America,” one such national meal delivery program, says the organization can provide meals for senior citizens for one year for roughly the same cost as just one day in a hospital. The annual meal cost is $2,765 for 250 days (while the cost of one day in the hospital is around $2,271, according to the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonprofit, private operating foundation based in Menlo Park, Calif.). “Meals on Wheels People,” a Portland, Ore.-based service and one of the largest in the country, says it costs $2,500 annually to provide daily meals to a homebound senior, while cost of institutional care for a year in Oregon is around $60,000.

This is how much it costs ?Meals on Wheels? to feed one elderly person for a year - MarketWatch

You can do the math
Real easy solution here, Winston. Reach in your back pocket, pull out your wallet and send these people the money in it. The federal government isn't the major or the only source of income for these people. If you feel that strongly, then donate. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.
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Long story short...

What's ACTUALLY being proposed is a BLOCK GRANT cut...

The federal government gives local & state governments "X" amount of money for programs and administrative costs...

Those local & state governments DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES where that federal block grant money goes...

So if the block grant gets cut, the local & state governments could choose to give Program "A" less money...or Program "B" less money...or Program "C" less money (and so on), or a little of each, or simply cut some program directors (or deputy directors), or other administrative costs...

This is NOTHING in the proposal that says "Cut Meals On Wheels"...

That “Trump kills Meals on Wheels” story didn’t hold up for long
and if the state doesn't have funds for feeding seniors w/o fed help, sucks to be them right

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Real easy solution here, Winston. Reach in your back pocket, pull out your wallet and send these people the money in it. The federal government isn't the major or the only source of income for these people. If you feel that strongly, then donate. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath.
Straight off the bat most people that are in the Meals for Wheels program do not have the income to pay all their bills. And I have no problem with government that is ultimately responsible to the citizen administering putting a chunk of dollars into programs like this when all else fails.
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and if the state doesn't have funds for feeding seniors w/o fed help, sucks to be them right

Then donate yourself: Money, time, effort. Support the programs you believe in.

Your unfortunate reliance on other people's money via the government doesn't mean you actually give a **** about the people who receive it.

Put YOU where your mouth is.
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Gee people you want to deny Americans from getting govt., assistance yet this very same govt., gives billions to so many other people across the Globe. In so cases to people who hate us.. Yet an American grandpa or ma who worked much harder than you will ever be asked to do, this person you want to say no to or buy cat food it is cheaper.

can't you see how bad both parties have become. If it were ideal we all would grow as a nation while having our own ideas.

And we each if we choose to present these ideas up to the majority (not of some party but of the nation)

Just think how far and at a much cheaper cost than has been the way in the past..

Or is it that each prefers to pick a side and do battle after battle till it become meaningless?

I suggest this present political situation is and needs to be stopped and be changed completely then re-booted
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