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Who wins and who loses under Obamacare replacement bill

No more employer healthcare/insurance plans. The Congressional Budget Office projects 24 million more uninsured under Trumpcare in 2026 than there would be under Obamacare. Good luck with all this Kirk. You best have a ton of money saved up for your healthcare costs at retirement age. And don't forget, Trump and the GOP are currently busy scheming to screw you out of your Social Security/Medicare contributions also ... those dollars will be going directly to the wealthy Top 1% as tax breaks.

Related: Obamacare repeal will increase the number of uninsured by 24 million by 2026, CBO says

White House analysis of Obamacare repeal sees even deeper insurance losses than CBO


Turns out, no.
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Your brain is getting smaller. I have a degree and was compensated fairly handsomely in my line of employment. I am also fortunate to have immediate family members in the medical professions.

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Who wins and who loses under Obamacare replacement bill

No more employer healthcare/insurance plans. The Congressional Budget Office projects 24 million more uninsured under Trumpcare in 2026 than there would be under Obamacare. Good luck with all this Kirk. You best have a ton of money saved up for your healthcare costs at retirement age. And don't forget, Trump and the GOP are currently busy scheming to screw you out of your Social Security/Medicare contributions also ... those dollars will be going directly to the wealthy Top 1% as tax breaks.

Related: Obamacare repeal will increase the number of uninsured by 24 million by 2026, CBO says

White House analysis of Obamacare repeal sees even deeper insurance losses than CBO
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Job-based plans offered to employees and their families cover 150 million people in the United States. If the ACA is repealed, they stand to lose critical consumer protections that many have come to expect of their employer plan.
Get Health Insurance Through Your Employer? ACA Repeal Will Affect You, Too
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It’s easy to understand the focus on the individuals who gained access to coverage thanks to the health reform law. ACA drafters targeted most of the law’s insurance reforms at the individual and small-group markets, where consumers and employers had the greatest difficulty finding affordable, adequate coverage prior to health reform. The ACA’s market reforms made coverage available to those individuals with pre-existing conditions who couldn’t obtain coverage in the pre-ACA world, and more affordable for those low- and moderate-income families who couldn’t afford coverage on their own.
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Less noticed, but no less important, the ACA also brought critical new protections to people in large employer plans. Although most large employer plans were relatively comprehensive and affordable before the ACA, some plans offered only skimpy coverage or had other barriers to accessing care, leaving individuals—particularly those with costly, chronic health conditions—with big bills and uncovered medical care. For that reason, the ACA extended several meaningful protections to employees of large businesses.
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Who wins and who loses under Obamacare replacement bill

No more employer healthcare/insurance plans. The Congressional Budget Office projects 24 million more uninsured under Trumpcare in 2026 than there would be under Obamacare. Good luck with all this Kirk. You best have a ton of money saved up for your healthcare costs at retirement age. And don't forget, Trump and the GOP are currently busy scheming to screw you out of your Social Security/Medicare contributions also ... those dollars will be going directly to the wealthy Top 1% as tax breaks.



Untrue, employer provided insurance remains. Mandated employer insurance goes away.




More prognostications about what might happen or what may happen or interpretations of sound bites suggesting great loss to the poor and rich windfalls to the rich if the new ACA is enacted.

And yet,
Most have not read it even though this time we can.

The sausage is still being made, nothing is in stone from either the House or the Senate.

And most of all,,,;President Trump has not signed anything into law. Until he does, one cannot say, whether or not, he made a false promise.

Absolute fear mongering. The left's favorite taunt.
No facts, just juxtapositions of left wing spin. .

For instance the CBO predicts 24 million will lose their current health care insurance ( over the next 4 years BTW) stating they have no idea, with the mandates removed, if they lose it because they cannot pay or chose not to continue. That figure has nothing to do with the 24 million supposedly now insured thanks to Obamacare. They may be many of the same folks, they may not.

And at the end of the argument, it is about "Health Care INSURANCE!"

The law still remains, independently of Obamacare or the new ACA,,,;no one who needs it will be denied health services.
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You two always have, just in the least efficient most profitable way possible. Unless we push patients to the curb and let them die, if they have no way to pay, we pay for them, no other way to do it. The Repubs had the silly meltdown about the mandate, now there is no way they can come up with a system more people are insured so everyone costs. so once again the Republican will get us into a system that people wont have to buy into, so they wont.
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Kirk, if we, that's you and I, end up paying for those who don't want to pay their own bills, the number will be far higher than 25%.
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So SOME employers may CONSIDER dropping it. Doesn't quite match up with Senior's statement, does it?

Have you even read what employers were required to do to 'provide affordable coverage' to new government defined 'full time' workers, and in what time span? At what cost to the employer?

Chances are, employers can't drop those already enrolled, but will likely discontinue enrolling NEW employees who fall under the mandated coverage. Gee, maybe then entry level employees won't be so quick to do the 'no call no show' job abandonment shtick they are so fond of. In our companies, did you know the turnover of 137% each year, only 2% is by company termination? 135% is by employee exit, of which 97% is by no call no show?

We pay well over FMW, average starting pay for no experience is $8.5 per hour. Now, add the cost of the employer mandated contribution so the employee doesn't exceed 9% of their gross pay in health insurance costs, rough cost to us, another $43 per week, plus administrative cost and time, and the employer pre-pays the insurance policy, to have someone quit in such a manner three months after they started.

To I WANT to see people not have group health insurance available to them? No. But why should the employers be held responsible for REQUIRING them to offer it at such expense?

Again, Senior's statement was entirely, 100% FALSE. But we do know which bandwagon you ride on, now don't we?
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The cost of failure on health care? It may be the rest of Trump’s agenda.

Explains why the GOP considered it imperative to tackle healthcare first before any of the other legislative agenda Trump promised in his first 100 days. Read it and pay close attention to taxes.
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The cost of failure on health care? It may be the rest of Trump’s agenda.

Explains why the GOP considered it imperative to tackle healthcare first before any of the other legislative agenda Trump promised in his first 100 days. Read it and pay close attention to taxes.
WaPo thinks I should pay to read their leftist garbage, so I don't read it. But government mandated health care is a major issue. The left, who created this mess, is now demanding the Right fix it immediately. Why shouldn't it be high on the list?
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