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Default Wind Power Surpasses Hydroelectric in a Crucial Measure

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/b...55&tntemail0=y

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The wind industry crossed an important threshold in the United States last year, exceeding the generating capacity of hydroelectric power for the first time, according to the main industry trade group, the American Wind Energy Association.
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They also kill more birds than Hydro electric...;
Wind turbines kill up to 39 million birds a year!

So many that the government has granted the industry a waiver over the deaths of protected raptor birds.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...this-year.html
http://watchdog.org/132575/wind-farms-birds/


It is illegal for a citizen to even possess an Eagle feather. Much less kill one. Yet Wind farms are exempted.
http://dailysignal.com/2014/07/25/fe...illing-eagles/

Meanwhile Hydro Electric plants improve bird habitats.
http://www.capjournal.com/news/bald-...9bb2963f4.html
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Default Re: Wind Power Surpasses Hydroelectric in a Crucial Measure

What the article called "An Important Asterisk":
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The comparison here is limited, measuring the maximum amount of power that generating stations are rated to produce — a threshold few, if any, ever meet....
According to the Energy Information Administration’s most recent annual electric power report, hydroelectric edged out wind in terms of power sent to the grid by roughly 30 percent in 2015, though both forms trailed fossil fuels and nuclear power by wide margins.
Wind Power is a wildly inefficient and unpredictable way to produce power beyond a single household scale. The chances of wind generation replacing any significant portion of the electrical power generated by hydrocarbons and nuclear are nil.
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Among generators that do not primarily rely on fossil fuels, nuclear plants are the most efficient — they ran at 92.3 percent of their capacity in 2015 — followed by hydroelectric at 35.8 percent that year and wind at 32.2 percent, according to the Energy Information Administration. (Those figures reflect the energy actually generated as a percentage of what a plant could have produced at full, continuous operation during the same period.)
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What the article called "An Important Asterisk":

Wind Power is a wildly inefficient and unpredictable way to produce power beyond a single household scale. The chances of wind generation replacing any significant portion of the electrical power generated by hydrocarbons and nuclear are nil.
It is not uncommon to see half the windmills on a farm not turning. Most Hydro plants are only used during peak requirements. When not in use the upstream water remains available. Wind farms cannot store the source of their power in the same way.
Thus making them unreliable.

I'm still trying to make the connection to "Poisoned Water"
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The ONLY logical question is "Did it do so EFFICIENTLY?"...

If it did, then it's good news; if it didn't, then it's waste...
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They also kill more birds than Hydro electric...;
Wind turbines kill up to 39 million birds a year!

So many that the government has granted the industry a waiver over the deaths of protected raptor birds.
Wind turbines have killed more birds of prey than persecution this year - Telegraph
The problem with wind farms: All those dead birds - Watchdog.org


It is illegal for a citizen to even possess an Eagle feather. Much less kill one. Yet Wind farms are exempted.
Wind Farms Get Exemption for Killing Eagles

Meanwhile Hydro Electric plants improve bird habitats.
Bald eagles continue to thrive in local habitat | Local News Stories | capjournal.com
thing is if we truly have an energy policy where everything is in play, we win!

other countries including china are investing in renewable energy
but of course you don't think other countries matter
cuz America first and all
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The ONLY logical question is "Did it do so EFFICIENTLY?"...

If it did, then it's good news; if it didn't, then it's waste...
it would almost have to, redd
water is precious in these polluting and wasting times but wind? yeah it's there for ya
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I don't know why your all piling on saying crap about wind power since your all blow hards anyway you all should just do you part and stand in front of a in turbine and do your part to clean up the environment.
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I don't know why your all piling on saying crap about wind power since your all blow hards anyway you all should just do you part and stand in front of a in turbine and do your part to clean up the environment.
Well, since some claim the methane from cow farts are detrimental to the atmosphere, perhaps we can harvest the velocity of those farts and channel them to power the turbines.

Just a random thought.
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thing is if we truly have an energy policy where everything is in play, we win!

other countries including china are investing in renewable energy
but of course you don't think other countries matter
cuz America first and all
Thing is, up to now, we don't!
Like illegal immigration Washington DC talks the talk every two years. But seldom actually takes even one step. We need to remove anti-energy production people from the Department of Energy.

China puts a new coal burning plant on line about every ten days. They import tons of coal to fire them. Meanwhile, our EPA shuts down USA mines.
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/...-problem-16999
http://www.triplepundit.com/2013/03/...lly-need-coal/


Germany was going full renewable until recently. It didn't work. Now they are our number one customer for coal.
http://www.elp.com/articles/2014/07/...o-germany.html
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