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These two posts appear to contradict each other.

In the former post, you appear to be suggesting that it is merely in the "imagin[ation]" of "the right" that we cannot pay for expansive government.

In the latter post, on the other hand, you assert that conservatives are gleefully ignorant of "the facts" that would make such tax increases inevitable...
They are two different conversations. One is cnredd's hype about the government he imagines "Liberals" want. He imagines people like me want to be Greece. Someone like me who is for raising the retirement age, Who is for means testing. Ya know someone like me. I am not afraid of government. I am afraid of government done badly being represented as the only way it works. I see where it is done right and talk about it but it is ignored and shouted down by the "I hate my government" crowd.

If you want to know what Krugmen says about these things look up what he says in it's entirety. Don't take something from the Brietbart rag and try to have a serious discussion from that.
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They are two different conversations. One is cnredd's hype about the government he imagines "Liberals" want. He imagines people like me want to be Greece. Someone like me who is for raising the retirement age, Who is for means testing. Ya know someone like me. I am not afraid of government. I am afraid of government done badly being represented as the only way it works. I see where it is done right and talk about it but it is ignored and shouted down by the "I hate my government" crowd.

If you want to know what Krugmen says about these things look up what he says in it's entirety. Don't take something from the Brietbart rag and try to have a serious discussion from that.
Please show us any government that had done anything right?

Yes, some government is a necessary evil, and best be kept small. However, the bigger government gets the worse it becomes. Our government today is the prime reason so many things are ****ed up, and it is people like you who think a failed community organizer was the answer to set things straight.
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You are commenting on a Breitbart blog where a tiny piece of what Krugman is saying is taken out of context and you run with it. This is
Breitbart's MO and you guys fall for it every time. If you want to comment on something post it all in context and we will talk. Don't think you are going to draw me into these things. You should require more facts before you jump to conclusions so the real question is why don't you?

See how this works now you have another right wing site regergitating the story from the other right wing site

Kooky Paul Krugman Calls for 'Death Panels' to Cut Health-Care Costs -- Really! | NewsBusters
Wow.... Oh so predictable. I asked YOU a question, I didn't comment on what Krugman said, I asked you the question. But as I predicted, you avoided the question. Sad that you won't....
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Wow.... Oh so predictable. I asked YOU a question, I didn't comment on what Krugman said, I asked you the question. But as I predicted, you avoided the question. Sad that you won't....
You asked me a question and expect me to explain someones comment taken out of context.
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Please show us any government that had done anything right?

Yes, some government is a necessary evil, and best be kept small. However, the bigger government gets the worse it becomes. Our government today is the prime reason so many things are ****ed up, and it is people like you who think a failed community organizer was the answer to set things straight.
Obama has done better than your boy. So that is a start. Show you a government that has done anything right? That is a stupid comment. Which country? Which project? You sound like you just hate government. While you complain on the "Internet"
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You asked me a question and expect me to explain someones comment taken out of context.
I didn't ask you about Krugman's comment, I asked you about your stance on the subject. Would you support limiting healthcare expenditures to those who get little benefit from them in order to keep a publically funded healthcare system fiscally solvent.

As far as Krugman's comments being taken out of context: The only context I have for his comments is a video with really crappy sound quality, so I can't understand half of what he's saying nor have I been able to find a transcript of his full speech and the Q&A that accompanied it. Obviously you have access to his full speech and can point us to it so that we can all see the comment made witin it's proper context. Would care to provide us with that???
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I didn't ask you about Krugman's comment, I asked you about your stance on the subject. Would you support limiting healthcare expenditures to those who get little benefit from them in order to keep a publically funded healthcare system fiscally solvent.

As far as Krugman's comments being taken out of context: The only context I have for his comments is a video with really crappy sound quality, so I can't understand half of what he's saying nor have I been able to find a transcript of his full speech and the Q&A that accompanied it. Obviously you have access to his full speech and can point us to it so that we can all see the comment made witin it's proper context. Would care to provide us with that???
My view is that my plan wouldn't require limiting health care at all. But then my plan would fundamentally change the entire paradigm.
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Obama has done better than your boy. So that is a start. Show you a government that has done anything right? That is a stupid comment. Which country? Which project? You sound like you just hate government. While you complain on the "Internet"
That's your opinion, nothing more.

Point to any country you wish and you will find they have ****ed over their own people, limited their freedoms, and trampled on their God given rights.
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That's your opinion, nothing more.

Point to any country you wish and you will find they have ****ed over their own people, limited their freedoms, and trampled on their God given rights.
Australia.
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My view is that my plan wouldn't require limiting health care at all. But then my plan would fundamentally change the entire paradigm.
And once again you avoid the question.....
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