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Old 01-29-2013, 06:09 AM
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Any immigration reform plan that allows the roughly 11 million individuals now in the United States illegally to stay in the country would bring with it a mix of new revenues and increased costs. And as President Obama and a bipartisan group of senators separately press the issue this week, past studies suggest it is doubtful that the fiscal benefits of such policy changes would outweigh the costs.

By legally joining the workforce, the immigrants in question would generate additional and much-needed income tax but also would become eligible for a certain level of government assistance. Research shows creating a path to citizenship for so many illegal immigrants would result in significant costs to state, local and federal governments.

“This doesn’t make them bad people, but (lawmakers) should be honest with the public,” Steve Camarota, director of research for the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, says. “Don’t sell them a bill of goods.”

While most studies, including one by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, have focused on the impact at the state and local levels, where most of the socials services for illegal immigrants are provided, Camarota has also looked at the impact on the federal government.

He estimated in an often-cited 2004 study that illegal immigrants paying taxes and getting access to such social services as Medicaid or food stamps would cost taxpayers $29 billion annually.

Contrary to the conventional wisdom, he argued, the main reason illegal immigrants create a large deficit is not their heavy use of social services but their lack of education, which results in low-paying jobs and small income-tax contributions.

“On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households,” writes Camarota, in his 2004 study “The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.”

More recent studies of the fiscal benefits and costs of immigration reform are hard to come by, and the CBO study, too, dates back to 2007.

Even so, Camarota points outs that more recent data unmistakably show less-skilled and less-educated citizens have been hit hardest by the recent economic downturn and that the proposed legislation would put them in direct competition with illegal immigrants with similar qualifications.

“While it would be a mistake to think that every job taken by an illegal immigrant is a job lost by a native, it would also be a mistake to imagine that allowing illegal immigrants to stay permanently in their jobs has no impact on labor market outcomes for U.S.-born workers,” Camarota said last month.

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And you can bet your bottom dollar they will be lining up for every benefit they can get and then sit on their asses collecting government handouts while the rest of us pay through the nose.

Not only is this going to add to our welfare roles but putting 11 million + people into a health care system that is already over loaded because of the lack of doctors will drive up the cost of obamacare even more.
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Default Re: Cost of giving illegal immigrants path to citizenship could outweigh fiscal benef

If they were already here, then they were already spending here.
If they were already here, then chances are they were already taking advantage of what benefits they could.
Increase in tax revenues, IF they file.
Increase on benefit programs such as Social Security, disability and other tax-contribution benefits for which they have not made the same contributions as a legal citizen

Bottom line, there is no increase to the economy by make illegal immigrants mystically legal.

All it does is condone an illegal action that will cause more to follow suit.
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Default Re: Cost of giving illegal immigrants path to citizenship could outweigh fiscal benef

What I'd like to see is a plan that states that no amnesty plans will go into place until the borders are secured. Set a target goal of less than 10,000 illegal immigrants per year coming into this country and once that goal has been met and sustained for three years, then grant amnesty to those who are already here. Additionally, any illegal immmigrant who wants amnesty gets charged a 5% surcharge on thier taxes for 5 years to help offset the cost of illegal immigrantion enforcement to this country.
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Illegals living in this country should have no advantage over immigrants who patiently waited in line to enter! Discussion of a path to citizenship before our borders are secure is just an invitation to violate existing law.

FIRST certify that our borders are secure to the border states governors satisfaction..then let's talk. Without doing that,this is more of a rushed "political fix" than good policy. Remember...almost half of the people who entered this country came here legally,when their visas expired,they just stayed here! If we can't track legal immigrants who have a known record of entry,I remain doubtful that we will be able to track illegals. If change must come it should be incremental.
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Report: Applicants for US Citizenship Surge; Mexicans Least Likely to Apply
July 6, 2017 – The number of legal immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship has surged by more than 20 percent since 2015, according to a recent Pew Research study – with Mexicans the least likely to apply.
Applications for citizenship were up by 21 percent in the first half of this year at 525,000, compared to the same period in 2016 when 435,000 applied, the report found. The total number of applications in 2016 was 972,000, 24 percent higher than the approximately 800,000 who applied in 2015. According to the report, in 2015 there were 45 million immigrants living in the U.S., of whom 11.9 million were “lawful permanent residents holding green cards.” Among those green card holders, 9.3 million were eligible to apply for citizenship. Of the 9.3 million, 37 percent or 3.4 million were of Mexican origin, but they were the least likely of all immigrant groups to seek naturalization.

In 2015, 67 percent of all lawful immigrants living in the U.S. and eligible for citizenship had applied – but for Mexicans the rate was considerably lower – 42 percent. That rate hasn’t changed much since then, the report found. In comparison to the 42 percent of eligible Mexicans applying, 83 percent of those from the Middle East applied and 74 percent of those from Africa. Middle Eastern immigrants had the highest naturalization rate among all immigrant origin groups, while African immigrants accounted for the largest increase in naturalization rate in the last decade, according to the report. The report’s research is based on U.S. census data, a year-round survey of 3.5 million households, and a monthly survey of 55,000 households. It found that Mexicans have lower levels of English proficiency than other groups, which might explain the group’s reluctance to apply for citizenship, since the application process usually involves an interview in English.

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The Pew report found that “only about one-fourth (26 percent) of Mexican immigrants eligible to naturalize are proficient in English, compared with about half (51 percent) of lawful immigrants from other countries of origin.” It also found that Mexican immigrants holding green cards in the U.S. “have lower family incomes than lawful immigrants of other origins.” Other factors discouraging Mexicans from applying for citizenship, the report said, could include the cost of the application and a lack of awareness that Mexican law allows them to have citizenship in both countries. Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, criticized the process of granting green cards to immigrants, claiming that it favors “family ties” over other factors. “The system we have for deciding who comes to the U.S. as a legal immigrant doesn’t reflect the needs of the country or take into account people’s likelihood to succeed here,” he said. “If you don’t speak the language of the country you are less likely to feel a part of the country. It leads into the issue of cost: people who don’t speak English are relegated to very low wage jobs.”

Mehlman said lower interest in applying for citizenship among Mexicans living in the U.S. “is more a consequence of falling behind economically and not acquiring the language skills that allow you to assimilate into the mainstream.” Fear of losing Mexican citizenship is a factor discouraging legal Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. from applying for citizenship, said Professor Javier Urbano Reyes, coordinator of immigration studies at the Ibero-American University in Mexico City. “Many of them continue to think [incorrectly] that they would lose their legal rights in Mexico,” if they become citizens of the U.S., he told CNSNews.com. Some may also feel that obtaining citizenship in the U.S. “is a form of showing disloyalty to Mexico.”

Finally, the process of seeking citizenship in the U.S. and the requirement to appear before a judge has some immigrants fearing that they may end up being deported, Urbano Reyes said. Pew noted that the year 1997 still holds the record with the most citizenship applications, at 1.41 million. The spike in applications in 1997, the report said, was “triggered in large part by congressional legislation passed a decade earlier that provided a path to lawful permanent residence and eventual citizenship for many unauthorized immigrants.”

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