Ben Stein Stuns Fox news about Mitt Romney tax cut - Page 2

cnredd · #11 (**permalink**) 10-28-2012, 09:55 PM

Thread should be titled...

"The Left thinks every single Republican thinks exactly alike and if someone alters their viewpoint from the Mythical Republican Pamphlet, even by a smidgen, the Left will interpret that as a 180-degree denouncement of all things Conservative and hail Ben Stein as the seeker of truth (until he says something Lefties don't like and then he'll go back to being attacked as a loon as was done just last month)"...

Mikeyy · #12 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Thread should be titled...

"The Left thinks every single Republican thinks exactly alike and if someone alters their viewpoint from the Mythical Republican Pamphlet, even by a smidgen, the Left will interpret that as a 180-degree denouncement of all things Conservative and hail Ben Stein as the seeker of truth (until he says something Lefties don't like and then he'll go back to being attacked as a loon as was done just last month)"...

Yeah, The right would never do such a thing. I should start a list of righties thrown under the bus but I don't have all day.

foundit66 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Dog

Yeah, because ol Ben...he's never been wrong right?

I can't help but notice that you are NOT presenting evidence as to how he's wrong here...

Instead, you're trying to attack him by pointing out how he's been wrong in the past, ergo insinuating an assumption that he's wrong here...

By that logic, I can point to a variety of things that Repubs used to back before changing their minds, proving them wrong.

Hell. The same could be done with the Democrats.
NOBODY would ever be right again...

But let's get in advance of that philosophy.
Let's say Romney wins.
How about we get all the Repubs who think Romney will eliminate the deficit come out and blatantly say that's their opinion, thus putting them in the "they've been wrong before" category => can't speak on future budget plans?
I can't help but wonder how many Repubs will refuse to explicitly sign on that dotted line without that consequence...

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"I hate to say this on Fox -- I hope I'll be allowed to leave here alive -- but I don't think there is any way we can cut spending enough to make a meaningful difference," said Stein. "We're going to have to raise taxes on very, very rich people. People with incomes of, say, $2, $3, $4 million a year and up. And then slowly, slowly, slowly move it down. $250,000 a year, that's not a rich person."

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"The evidence is that there is no clear connection between the level of taxation and the level of economic activity," said Stein. "The biggest growth and prosperity we've ever had in this country was from roughly 1941 to 1973. That was the best years we've ever had and those were years of much higher taxes than we have now."
"Taxes were at 70, 80 percent then," said Steve Doocy.

"And yet, we were very prosperous," Stein replied. "The highest rate was in the 90s during parts of the 50s, and yet we were very prosperous."

Ben Stein hit the nail on the head.
This crap where people pretend we’re just waiting on more tax cuts for the rich is virtual insanity. The tax rates are already low. The rich are currently getting richer while the bottom 90% is in a DECLINE with our income.

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Saez and Piketty show that the vast majority’s average adjusted gross income, of which wages are just a part, was $29,840 in 2010. That was down $127 from 2009 and down $4,842 from 2000.
Most shocking? The average income of the vast majority of taxpayers in 2010 was just a smidgen more than the $29,448 average way back in 1966.
At the top, the super-rich saw their 2010 average income grow by $4.2 million over 2009 to $23.8 million. Compared to 1966 their income was up on average by $18.7 million per taxpayer.

The richest get richer | David Cay Johnston

So what is this insanity that the right-wing is peddling? Are they wanting us to believe that the rich aren’t getting rich enough, fast enough???
That the middle class will not grow until the uber-rich incomes grow at an even faster rate?
Is there ANYTHING that will get the right-wing to understand that the reason this economy / employment is faltering is because the rich ARE NOT (and never have been) the driving factor for this economy.
It’s the working class buying which is the driving factor.
If the rich “invest”, it means nothing unless you have people (working class) actually buying those goods…

saltwn · #14 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 10:46 AM

Why don't they listen to saner heads if he has been saying this? No I don't watch fox all the time. whenever I do yes they seem to speak with one Borg voice as does MSNBC (see my current avatar

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AZRWinger · #15 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

I can't help but notice that you are NOT presenting evidence as to how he's wrong here...

Instead, you're trying to attack him by pointing out how he's been wrong in the past, ergo insinuating an assumption that he's wrong here...

By that logic, I can point to a variety of things that Repubs used to back before changing their minds, proving them wrong.

Hell. The same could be done with the Democrats.
NOBODY would ever be right again...

But let's get in advance of that philosophy.
Let's say Romney wins.
How about we get all the Repubs who think Romney will eliminate the deficit come out and blatantly say that's their opinion, thus putting them in the "they've been wrong before" category => can't speak on future budget plans?
I can't help but wonder how many Repubs will refuse to explicitly sign on that dotted line without that consequence...

Ben Stein hit the nail on the head.
This crap where people pretend we’re just waiting on more tax cuts for the rich is virtual insanity. The tax rates are already low. The rich are currently getting richer while the bottom 90% is in a DECLINE with our income.

The richest get richer | David Cay Johnston

So what is this insanity that the right-wing is peddling? Are they wanting us to believe that the rich aren’t getting rich enough, fast enough???
That the middle class will not grow until the uber-rich incomes grow at an even faster rate?
Is there ANYTHING that will get the right-wing to understand that the reason this economy / employment is faltering is because the rich ARE NOT (and never have been) the driving factor for this economy.
It’s the working class buying which is the driving factor.
If the rich “invest”, it means nothing unless you have people (working class) actually buying those goods…

If your middle class demand driven economic assertion was true then we ought to be seeing a robust economy thanks to Obama's $878 billion in deficit spending known as the stimulus. If sending more tax revenue to the Federal government so it can spend more will help the middle class, why has median income fallen more than $4,000 despite $ trillion plus deficits under Obama? Reducing capital available for investment via tax increases doesn't stimulate the economy, it retards growth.

The only people shocked by Ben Stein's support for raising taxes on the very high income earners are those invested in the Fox as the propaganda arm of the Republican party myth. Stein has advocated raising taxes on the rich for years including during appearances on FNC.

saltwn · #16 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

If your middle class demand driven economic assertion was true then we ought to be seeing a robust economy thanks to Obama's $878 billion in deficit spending known as the stimulus. If sending more tax revenue to the Federal government so it can spend more will help the middle class, why has median income fallen more than $4,000 despite $ trillion plus deficits under Obama? Reducing capital available for investment via tax increases doesn't stimulate the economy, it retards growth.

The only people shocked by Ben Stein's support for raising taxes on the very high income earners are those invested in the Fox as the propaganda arm of the Republican party myth. Stein has advocated raising taxes on the rich for years including during appearances on FNC.

Because the right won't get off their asses and pass a jobs bill.

This is not your grandfathers economy. Those jobs are gone gone gone. don't believe me look at Detroit. What built Detroit? WWI and the WWII. the car business booming cause not everybody had one yet. computer makers are smarter than that. and so are car makers now. We have to build a new economy, friend. Based on a new set of inventions, wants , needs, and innovation and hard work. If consumers don't want or need it we will continue to slide.
That is why Obama has been stressing wind and solar and stuff. These are new technologies that have a market in today's world and save us money several ways. money spent to defend oil wells and money saved on blackmail to fuel in the ME and domestic.
Education is stressed too because we will need to know how to do more high tech things than work in a nut and bolt factory or pull the hot metal off the line.
Right now today I see the difference in these two parties as one critical and sad for the past. And the other saying this is America we have a bright future. let's get to work and build to it.

Dave1 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Thread should be titled...

"The Left thinks every single Republican thinks exactly alike and if someone alters their viewpoint from the Mythical Republican Pamphlet, even by a smidgen, the Left will interpret that as a 180-degree denouncement of all things Conservative and hail Ben Stein as the seeker of truth (until he says something Lefties don't like and then he'll go back to being attacked as a loon as was done just last month)"...

Damn, replace the word republican with democrat and you have a completely flawless mirror image contention.....

Isn't that ironic....

AzMike · #18 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Because the right won't get off their asses and pass a jobs bill.

This is not your grandfathers economy. Those jobs are gone gone gone. don't believe me look at Detroit. What built Detroit? WWI and the WWII. the car business booming cause not everybody had one yet. computer makers are smarter than that. and so are car makers now. We have to build a new economy, friend. Based on a new set of inventions, wants , needs, and innovation and hard work. If consumers don't want or need it we will continue to slide.
That is why Obama has been stressing wind and solar and stuff. These are new technologies that have a market in today's world and save us money several ways. money spent to defend oil wells and money saved on blackmail to fuel in the ME and domestic.
Education is stressed too because we will need to know how to do more high tech things than work in a nut and bolt factory or pull the hot metal off the line.
Right now today I see the difference in these two parties as one critical and sad for the past. And the other saying this is America we have a bright future. let's get to work and build to it.

When are you going to understand the government does not and cannot create jobs or prosperity? When are you going to get that? If they could Russia would be the premier super power by now. China's people wouldn't be living in poverty and North Korea would not be in the dark ages.

The GOVERNMENT PRODUCES NOTHING BUT MISERY!!

Mikeyy · #19 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AzMike

When are you going to understand the government does not and cannot create jobs or prosperity? When are you going to get that? If they could Russia would be the premier super power by now. China's people wouldn't be living in poverty and North Korea would not be in the dark ages.

The GOVERNMENT PRODUCES NOTHING BUT MISERY!!

Actually you have an irrational anger at government. Government is a construct of our own collective choices, not an entity to be mad at.

What you really want is a leaner and cleaner government. Me too. We need to cut spending. Military spending included. We need to address the entitlements situation and construct a better model I don't know what China, Russia, or NK have to do with anything. Nobody believes those are models we should emulate.

Self government doesn't produce misery. It produces what we allow it to. Now both sides want to cut spending and the debt. It isn't something anyone disagrees about. Both sides built this government and both sides will have to work to make it better. You can whine and point fingers and place blame about it or fix it.

saltwn · #20 (**permalink**) 10-29-2012, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AzMike

When are you going to understand the government does not and cannot create jobs or prosperity? When are you going to get that? If they could Russia would be the premier super power by now. China's people wouldn't be living in poverty and North Korea would not be in the dark ages.

The GOVERNMENT PRODUCES NOTHING BUT MISERY!!

The russian scenerio is exactly what the gop is wanting to give us with its old time religion songs.
they gave us a depression. with the help of goeorge bush and barak obama it is only a deeeeep recession. the last depression took 10 years for the stock market to post the same as before 1929. we have already cleared that hurdle but there need to be impetus to get us rolling. like the states had as a 'mean time' measure till a major reconstruct is done. some of them are doing better but we must get the rest of the stimulus passed.
if private rich people were going to create jobs HERE don't you think we would have seen that already?
your mind set seems so closed you cannot see reasonable explanations as anything but a commie conspiracy. As mikeyy says WE ARE THE government. and we need a NEW economy. YOUR PARTY and mine at the time KILLED THE OLD ONE and in the mean time life goes on and we ain't gettin that world back again EVER.
anyway I'm tired of arguing with you.

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