Being required to provide something to another for not equal value is not a penalty, it is a tax. Penalty is only for non-performace.

Being required to provide insurance subsidies to employees (included in the Insurance Mandate) is a tax. The additional administrative duties to comply is an expense to that tax.

Don't try and twist the semantics, the only reason it passed SCOTUS was on the basis of the right to tax, therefore it IS a tax.


So, how many 'small' businesses are in this country? You keep wanting to 'spread it out', kindly provide the statistics.

The Insurance Mandate hasn't even fully kicked in, so how could you make the assumption that it will cost 'small' businesses a couple of hours? My direct experience has shown that it will likely cost about 30 hours per week for a business with aprox 100 employees, most of which are entry level (high turnover).

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"Try and fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured, but not everyone must prove they are a citizen".

No, sorry it doesn't work that way. SCOTUS used the taxing authority in the Constitution but that doesn't mean it's a tax. The Republicans even called it a penalty until it became inconvenient for them to do so, then they tried to flip it to a tax to scare people off the program... It's a Penalty.


From the U.S. Small Business Administration..

In 2009,there were 27.5 million businesses in the United States, according to Office of Advocacy estimates.

The U.S. Small Business Administration | SBA.gov

Well at 30 hours per business and 27.5 million businesses me thinks that's a bit more than 80 million man hours huh... Simple math....

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You win... I've been sitting here for 3 hours trying to come up with a comment that was dumber than that and I can't do it. You are the queen of the dumb comments. Your crown is in the mail. Just roll it into a cone shape and wear it with pride.

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Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

So if it's not a tax, then SCOTUS was incorrect? A taxing authority can only levy a penalty if you fail to comply.

Even at 27.5m businesses, that's a bit more than the 1-2 extra hours you were touting.

You apparently skipped over the high turnover rate notation. The higher the rate of turnover, the more administration time is required. Each new hire already requires 1 hour minimum to process. Not all businesses are high turnover, but many are.

Most businesses that are smaller, will likely choose the penalty path, because it is more economically feasible for them, if they survive the Insurance Mandate at all. Businesses with 100 or more employees, will likely expand existing administration positions, or hire part time assistance, so I guess you could say it will create some new jobs (TIC) if you don't count the businesses that close.

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"Try and fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured, but not everyone must prove they are a citizen".

We can stop with the word games.. Tax or Penalty it doesn't really matter what you want to call it, it has to be paid either way.

And yet closer than the 30 hours you are touting... I was generalizing.. Maybe I should have said a Few instead of a Couple...

What does high turn over have to do with implementing Obamacare?....

You're not taking into account all the businesses that already offer health insurance, or perhaps the employees who work for a specific company already has a qualified healthcare plan . So it creates a few new jobs.. just another good thing about Obamacare.

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Holy f*ck.

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Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15. ~ Ronald Reagan

Did you send that crown express delivery? It sure is working.

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"I swear- by my life and my love of it- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15. ~ Ronald Reagan

There is quite a difference. I don't think I need to explain it to you, I would have to believe your being intentionally evasive.

Let me explain it this way.
A company that has 100 employees, low turn over, only deals with enrollment process very rarely. Administration time is minimal.

A company with a high turnover rate is dealing with the administration duties of people coming and going: employment paperwork, reporting, discovery of eligbility based on hours worked, initiall enrollment, then COBRA enrollment and collection of premiums thereunder, state tax filings, federal filings, unemployment if necessary.

Do you think that there is no administration costs already under the Insurance Mandate?

Read here: http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ope...e-started.html

Even for existing employees there is additional administration time and costs. And it hasn't even been fully implemented yet. Shall I get into the learning process of all the ins and outs of the Insurance Mandate? Seminars, reading material, etc?

Being oblivious to the costs of time and money is easy, when you don't have to deal with it.

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"Try and fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured, but not everyone must prove they are a citizen".

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I had no idea that you were one of the people that think that the Income Tax is illegal.

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I don't need you to explain the Penalty to me..

Yep, and most businesses have people on their payrolls to deal with these things. If a company has 100 employees at least one of those is most likely going to be the person who takes care of these things. They do this in the course of their work day. What you are claiming is that every business is going to be forced to hire more people , work longer hours, and spend more money to implement Obamacare.. I say Bulls***. No evidence supports that happening. Sure it may cost a little extra but that doesn't translate into a new tax.


Look , you posted that 80 million hours were going to be needed to implement Obamacare. With just the 2009 figures of roughly 27 million businesses that breaks down to less than 4 hours per... Not a huge difference in what they were going to do anyway...

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