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yeah, ff, get rid of all unions and that will make wage earners lives better.
Yes, it would. More jobs, less waste, more competition on the international market, lower costs and less corruption. MUCH better.
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I don't have to try to make Obama look bad, the facts speak for themselves. For example, screwing the other stakeholders and the taxpayers to reward their UAW cronies. Those are the facts.
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I realize facts are inconvenient for many Obama-haters, but they are there nevertheless...

Those Delphi employees receiving the top-ups will have their reduced PBGC benefit supplemented by GM while others will not.

U.S. GAO - Delphi Bankruptcy: Termination of Delphi Pension Plans

That is what this is about.

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Obama WAS born in Hawaii, and people who refuse to believe that are NOT Obama's fault...
In other words, the union employees get the top-up and the non-union are left holding the bag. "Since we are the Obama Administration, we don't have to have justification. We make the rules and you live by them."
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Yes, it would. More jobs, less waste, more competition on the international market, lower costs and less corruption. MUCH better.
The reason little Rayanne will not be in a sweat shop at the age of 6 is because of unions. The reason any unskilled laborer in this country gets over a dollar an hour TODAY is due to union influence. The reason your job whatever it is commands whatever salary it does is due in part to union influence and history. NEVER forget that.
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The reason little Rayanne will not be in a sweat shop at the age of 6 is because of unions. The reason any unskilled laborer in this country gets over a dollar an hour TODAY is due to union influence. The reason your job whatever it is commands whatever salary it does is due in part to union influence and history. NEVER forget that.
What a load of crap. Unions THEN did some good things, unions TODAY are corrupt, money-grubbing extortionists. When are you going to learn that times have changed and MOST of the need for unions is long gone. There are now laws on the books to prevent the abuses that unions fought against and I'm thankful to the unions for helping to get them passed. But now that need is no longer there, so using it as an argument in favor of unions is dishonest at best. Do you ever look at the overall impact that unions have on our economy?? Do you ever consider the impact they have on non-union people?? That's not your problem is it?? You sit there worshipping at the throne of the Almighty Union and never consider the single mother of three who has to pay an extra $100 a month for goods and services because of the unions efforts at artificially inflating wages and forcing thier employers to pass on those costs to the consumers. Yeah, if you're a union employee, it doesn't matter, since you just got big fat raise for doing nothing but giving money to the union, but if you're not a union employee, then you pay for that raise with every purchase.
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faithful_servant;464573]What a load of crap. Unions THEN did some good things, unions TODAY are corrupt, money-grubbing extortionists.
That is a broad statement. Fact is that unions created the middle class. Is there some unions with some issues? yes. Are they all evil with bad intentions? not hardly.
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When are you going to learn that times have changed and MOST of the need for unions is long gone.
Yeah, have you been watching the United pilot strike. How about the football referees? Watch tonight and see a back up crew because of the greedy NFL.
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There are now laws on the books to prevent the abuses that unions fought against and I'm thankful to the unions for helping to get them passed. But now that need is no longer there, so using it as an argument in favor of unions is dishonest at best.
This is BS. It is in corporations interest to pay as little as possible.
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Do you ever look at the overall impact that unions have on our economy??
Yes, without them we would all be living in a much lower class life. Do you realize that the states with strong unions do better than states without?
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Do you ever consider the impact they have on non-union people??
Yes, good union wages support local economies.
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That's not your problem is it?? You sit there worshipping at the throne of the Almighty Union and never consider the single mother of three who has to pay an extra $100 a month for goods and services because of the unions efforts at artificially inflating wages and forcing thier employers to pass on those costs to the consumers
.Funny how you don't find anyone in the corporate structure at fault but union workers. Not execs with ridiculous wages and corporate jets. Not the need to hit stock expectations.
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Yeah, if you're a union employee, it doesn't matter, since you just got big fat raise for doing nothing but giving money to the union, but if you're not a union employee, then you pay for that raise with every purchase.
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Now you say union workers do nothing but add costs. I wouldn't want to live in your minimum wage world.
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