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Dave1 · #41 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

I don't know why you expect things to be rosy. Clinton knows it will take time and so do I. I do think congress is far far more to blame than Obama. Romney's plans suck and will cause more problems. I will syick with Obama. Thanls

Obama is a communication failure Mikeyy.....

Let me put it that way.....

The **** could hit the fan but, Bill Clinton could explain it out in a fashion that left you knowing the problem and understanding the challenge. But, he would always finish it off with a plan or idea that made sense to close the deal.....

Obama doesn't have that mo-jo anymore.....

~ I don't believe what he says anymore Mikeyy, and that pisses me off.....

I still admire watching Clinton speak when he does a half hour off the top of his head without any notes on any subject in a room full of cameras......

The man is still brilliant and again, it makes me mad that I overestimated what the current administration was going to be able to handle......

Mikeyy · #42 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave1

Obama is a communication failure Mikeyy.....

Let me put it that way.....

The **** could hit the fan but, Bill Clinton could explain it out in a fashion that left you knowing the problem and understanding the challenge. But, he would always finish it off with a plan or idea that made sense to close the deal.....

Obama doesn't have that mo-jo anymore.....

~ I don't believe what he says anymore Mikeyy, and that pisses me off.....

I still admire watching Clinton speak when he does a half hour off the top of his head without any notes on any subject in a room full of cameras......

The man is still brilliant and again, it makes me mad that I overestimated what the current administration was going to be able to handle......

The race is between Romney and Obama. Not Clinton.

Dave1 · #43 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

The race is between Romney and Obama. Not Clinton.

That's a fact my friend.......

And imo it will come down to two states for the required votes to become the next POTUS......

#1 Florida

#2 Ohio

If Romney loses either of those two, I believe Obama will win the election.....

But, if Obama loses both, the rest are kinda moot knowing the numbers and Romney will win our next election.....

Keep one eye open vato.......

Mikeyy · #44 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave1

That's a fact my friend.......

And imo it will come down to two states for the required votes to become the next POTUS......

#1 Florida

#2 Ohio

If Romney loses either of those two, I believe Obama will win the election.....

But, if Obama loses both, the rest are kinda moot knowing the numbers and Romney will win our next election.....

Keep one eye open vato.......

We do a lot of talking about Obama but nobody really discusses why Romney can make anything better. I have not heard any specifics from him that will do anything.

Xcali · #45 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

Obama has never seriously tried to get a budget passed. This may come as a shock but the President's initial budget proposal doesn't get passed by Congress intact. Clinton averaged 5 proposals per budget year. Obama the community organizer submits one outlandish proposal not even Congressional Democrats can support then turns his back on the budget process altogether. That is not leadership, that is incompetence.

Ok this isn't the first time you've told this lie, so it's time ( in the words of Willard) for you to put up or shut up. Show me the budget that Democrats didn't support..

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

There is no Bush budget ruling over the Federal government for 3 years. There is only an incompetent President disinterested in working with his own party in passing one. For the last 2 years the Republican controlled House has passed a budget, the Democrat controlled Senate hasn't even held budget hearings. Who are the economic terrorists?

Bulls***... The last Budget to be Adopted by congress was the fiscal 2009 budget plan proposed by George W. Bush. Once that plan was Adopted all appropriations were set to that budget. Spending levels were set to THAT budget. We're still running on those same spending levels by way of continuing resolutions. The House passed a couple of bogus budgets with partisan votes , like they do with everything else they are symbolic bills never meant to actually be considered. No serious Congressman or woman would really want a balanced budget amendment , especially republicans because they do love to spend.

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Originally Posted by AZRWinger

The Federal budget under the OA has been replaced by a slap dash collection of continuing resolutions to mask Obama's massive overspending. It is fiscal management that would bankrupt a corner hot dog cart. Obama's solution is to raise taxes extracting more funds from the private economy for the incompetent President to squander.

This statement only shows how little you know about the system and how the budget even works. The President doesn't spend money... He proposes spending money. If you took your head out of the sand maybe you could open your eyes and see the difference. The Republicans are trying to dismantle the Social programs put in place as far back as FDR.. every budget they present comes attached with a Balanced budget amendment, which is never going to pass. They don't mind over spending when it's one of their own now do they.

Harry Reid hasn't passed a budget because the Republicans will Filibuster and he knows it. He's not going to play the stupid childish game of passing bills he knows will fail to go into effect so he bides his time and waits.

I love the hypocrisy, make a deal to cut spending but when it looks like it might just happen who is first in line trying to stop it?.... REPUBLICANS...
Ever wonder what kind of deal they will make with Obama after they get back from Recess?.. Do you really think they are going to allow their precious defense to be cut by 55 billion a year? You can't tell me they are serious about the budget or jobs when all they do is push through symbolic bills to end abortions, or stop gay people from getting married... oh and lets not forget the naming of post offices... you know, the important stuff they were sent there to manage.

Xcali · #46 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

We do a lot of talking about Obama but nobody really discusses why Romney can make anything better. I have not heard any specifics from him that will do anything.

Because he can't. Willard has surrounded himself with people that used to work , campaign, and support George W. Bush. more than half of his campaign staff are the same group who put Bush into office. Hell even the new PR lady he just hired was a former Bush Staffer. It's apparent to me that the Republicans don't even like the guy. He went through the entire Primary process while never getting over 35% of the vote share , and used his Money to beat down the opposition. Now they are stuck with him and admit they will hold their noses and vote simply because he's not Obama.
He has no plan, no core, no principles, will lie to save his own ass, will say whatever he thinks he needs to say and then flip flop the next hour, and they still don't care because he's not Obama.

Why couldn't we have gotten Mickey Mouse instead

Xcali · #47 (**permalink**) 08-04-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave1

That's a fact my friend.......

And imo it will come down to two states for the required votes to become the next POTUS......

#1 Florida

#2 Ohio

If Romney loses either of those two, I believe Obama will win the election.....

But, if Obama loses both, the rest are kinda moot knowing the numbers and Romney will win our next election.....

Keep one eye open vato.......

Obama is leading in practically every Swing state up to this point. Traditionally he should pick up Iowa, Wisconsin, And Michigan.. Plus all the other Blue states as in the map. Romney should pick up the Red states..which leaves 7 battleground states to decide the outcome. Obama does not have to have Ohio or Florida to seal the win, Romney on the other hand needs both.

Turn Ohio blue = Romney loses.
Obama wins Nevada, Colorado, and New Hampshire= Romney loses.
Obama wins Colorado and Virginia= Romney loses..
Obama wins Florida= Romney loses.

Romney wins Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, Florida, and New Hampshire and he still needs Ohio to win.

It could come down to Ohio, or Florida being the Swing this yer but considering that Obama is leading in all of these states, it's very unlikely Romney will win them all. He has to have the clean sweep.. Obama has the Odds in his favor.

This is based on just one Model, of course this could change if Obama loses ground in other key state such as Iowa, Wisconsin, Or Pennsylvania.

saltwn · #48 (**permalink**) 08-06-2012, 04:57 AM

Thought I'd share this with y'all:

faithful_servant · #49 (**permalink**) 08-06-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Xcali

He has made it better. When the Unemployment stopped falling off the cliff in the Fall of 09 Bush had gone from 5.5 % unemployment to over 10% unemployment . During the First part of the Recession once the housing market crashed we were bleeding 800,000 jobs per month. The Only thing Obama has been able to pass is the stimulus bill.. and the Healthcare bill. The Republicans formed a wall of opposition and put their political gains ahead of the American people by refusing to help or compromise with " The Black man"...

Let me ask you Dave, You claim you liked Clinton. I have seen you post that several times , how you wish we were back under the Clinton Years. Well guess what.. Clinton Supports President Obama. Clinton's policies worked to balance the budget and create a surplus. Clinton's policies allowed for businesses to boom, making a lot of Hard working people a lot of money. President Obama is pushing the same basic Budget policy that we had under Clinton. Lower Defense spending and raise taxes on the filthy rich. Sure, he didn't keep every single promise he made, but can you show me a President that has?.. Even Bill Clinton said he would not raise taxes but after he was in he RAISED taxes. I mean Obama did pass healthcare, which isn't perfect , but it is better than anything we've had. Clinton didn't have the same congress to deal with either. These republicans have gone off the deep in into Partisan never never land where they would just as soon see the Government Shut down rather than give Obama the smallest victory. Bill after bill he puts out, only to watch as they put the papers on the stack never to vote on it. Even the Republicans know that most of what he has put out there would work to turn this economy around and get us back on that track we were on 12 years ago. They know it, that's why they won't allow it. If they allow him a victory and he does in fact prove them all wrong, the Republican platform is shattered. So it's up to the voters to decide if they want a world like we know we can have or a world where nobody wants to be. Willard will be a disaster like none we've ever seen, because Willard is spineless and will only act as a puppet for the Right. The Koch Brothers will be the President by default.

It wasn't Clinton's policies that got us the surplus, it was Gingrich's. That surplus happened in spite of Clinton's efforts, not because of them. It also had lot to do with previous admin's. policies bearing fruit that people during Clinton's term were bearing the fruit of.

faithful_servant · #50 (**permalink**) 08-06-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

That is congresses fault. Not Obama's

How is it Congress' fault that PRes. Obama has only submitted ONE budget proposal in almost 4 years?? Most recent Presidents have been actively involved in the budgetting process, but not Pres. Obama and for soem strange reason you think that's Congress' fault.

My guess is that you'll throw some lame rationalization about how the Pres. knows he can't anything done with the Reps. holding a razor thin majority in one House, so he's not going to even bother trying.

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