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Old 07-07-2012, 06:49 AM
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For smokers who bargained on roll-your-own cigarette stores for cheap smokes, it looks like those days are numbered.

On Friday, President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law a federal highway bill with a section that redefines tobacco manufacturers to include any business with a roll-your-own cigarette machine and taxes those products at the same rate as packaged smokes.

The move comes a month after Illinois increased taxes on such roll-your-own machine-made cigarettes.

Marcia Smith, 47, of Lake County, decided after the state tax increase that she should move her Smokes & Such tobacco shops in Skokie and Gurnee to Wisconsin, where taxes on rolled cigarettes are lower.

If Obama signs the law, she said she’ll shut her doors.

The machines, which cost about $33,000 each, allow customers to pick their own tobacco and pour it into a device that can roll the tobacco into a carton, or about 200 cigarettes, within minutes.

Since 2009, RYO stores have been selling cigarettes with far lower taxes than packaged cigarettes.

Why? In 2009, Congress more than doubled the federal excise tax on cigarettes, and, to bring RYO tobacco in line with packaged smokes, raised the tax on RYO tobacco from $1.10 a pound to $24.78 a pound. Yet it raised the tax on pipe tobacco by a far smaller amount — from $1.10 to $2.83 a pound.
Roll-your-own cigarette stores going up in smoke - Chicago Sun-Times

This was a bill that was pushed by Max Baucus, democrat, of Montana. Philip Morris and another tobacco company made big contributions to Baucus so he would sponsor this bill. The bill was suppose to be signed on Friday by obama, but I have yet to learn if it has.

Hundreds more people are going to lose their jobs because of this. RYO stores will be closed all because government wants to tax you to death.

This will hurt the poor and middle class the most, but I doubt that obama and congress give a damn.

RYO tobacco was better than what you got from the large tobacco giants because there were no chemicals added to it and you could by your rolling papers that were free of chemicals as well.

This also effects me, as I was rolling cigarettes for people here. We have smokers who could not afford the price of a pack of cigarettes so when I saw this I bought a hand rolling machine where I could roll three cigarettes at a time. I also sold my cigarettes five at a time. Some of my customers would by only ten cigarettes every other day some bought a pack a day, but I sold them for about $3.50 a pack. I wasn't getting rich but any means, but I made a few dollars on the side, now that will dry up.

Taxing the American people to change their lifestyle is a crime, but yet to few people will holler about it anymore. Government is out of control and we will eventually end up looking like some third world country before to long unless we the people stand up and start fighting back on all these tax increases.

Here is one more article on the subject:

Roll-your-own cigarette operations to be snuffed out - Business - ReviewJournal.com
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Never heard of those machines. You can roll your own in your own machine. Tobacco went up when cigarettes did. Pipe tobacco is a little cheaper. Some people roll that .
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Loose tobacco didn't go up that much when the taxes hit, but now taxes on loose tobacco is 24 + dollars a pound. Pipe tobacco is still relatively cheap, but I don't know anyone who will use it as cigarette tabacco.
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Loose tobacco didn't go up that much when the taxes hit, but now taxes on loose tobacco is 24 + dollars a pound. Pipe tobacco is still relatively cheap, but I don't know anyone who will use it as cigarette tabacco.
Well loose tobacco went up in Texas, Georgia, Arkansas, Idaho, Oregon, ...
And many people we run into in tob shops roll pipe tob. Some sales clerks even suggest it. It's like 13 dollars for a few ounces (cigarette tob).
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Quit smoking and it won't make a difference in your life.
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Quit smoking and it won't make a difference in your life.
I personally find the extreme taxes on cigarettes to be outrageous. It's out of control. I can understand taxing them to some degree, but poor people are affected the most by this, as most methods available to quit smoking are still pretty expensive--even the e-cigarettes are expensive and they're not as effective. I don't think the government should be trying to force people to live any one particular way. I think alcohol is taxed too much as well.
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I personally find the extreme taxes on cigarettes to be outrageous. It's out of control. I can understand taxing them to some degree, but poor people are affected the most by this, as most methods available to quit smoking are still pretty expensive--even the e-cigarettes are expensive and they're not as effective. I don't think the government should be trying to force people to live any one particular way. I think alcohol is taxed too much as well.
You have a point but they stink and ruin peoples health. My dad died of the things and I had a hell of a time quitting. I might be as full of crap as an ex whore but I really don't care how much they tax the damned things.
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You have a point but they stink and ruin peoples health. My dad died of the things and I had a hell of a time quitting. I might be as full of crap as an ex whore but I really don't care how much they tax the damned things.
Look, I'm all for banning it from public indoor places (or starting a very strict ventilation standard for bars that want an indoor smoking section), I think that was a good thing, but I don't think taxing it up the yin yang is right--it hurts poor people so badly, people who sometimes don't have the means to quit that more well-to-do people have.

People are going to smoke regardless of how expensive it gets--of course if it gets too expensive, it will start to become a big black market item and will start to be associated with crime.
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Quit smoking and it won't make a difference in your life.
if you're the type of person that wants government taking over your personal habits, this idea works...

But if you're the type of person that wants government taking over your personal habits, then you're running against the grain on the reasons this American experiment was created for in the first place...
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if you're the type of person that wants government taking over your personal habits, this idea works...

But if you're the type of person that wants government taking over your personal habits, then you're running against the grain on the reasons this American experiment was created for in the first place...
Get to know our history cnredd. The first thing the first congress did was a whiskey tax. The America some of you imagine never was.
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