I was thinking that it's either rich folks or those who want to give them more breaks that are complaining that the administration is creating class warfare. It is funny to me that asking the rich to pay there fair share are attacked as wealth redistributors. These same people had no complaints about giving them the Bush tax cuts. Wasn't that redistributing wealth? Or is it only wrong if you rich need to share?

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What is a 'fair share'? When dollar for dollar, they pay the majority of taxes collected, for services they do not use.

What is 'fair' about 50% of the people not paying anything in taxes, but using the majpority of services that taxes pay for?

What is 'fair' about a group of people who donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to charities, or fund foundations and create charities, fund hospitals, libraries, shelters, yet other people demand they pay even more in taxes?

Exactly what is 'fair' about that?

If you don't think you pay enough in taxes, kick some more in. Just quit trying to demand other people's money be taken from them.

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Is it fair that the Republicans vote against the Buffet rule? Is it fair that investors get more breaks then working people? BTW, my point is and was is class warfare a one way street? Does it only apply when asking those with more to pay more? We had a booming economy when the tax rates were higher on the rich. They seemed to be making plenty of money. Now all of the sudden they need more breaks or we just can't seem to move forward. The debt went up due to the tax cuts that nobody was screaming for. So the theory didn't work did it? (For the fourth time)

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It is not true that 50% of Americans do not pay taxes. It is true that half or so don't pay the federal income tax, but they do pay a payroll tax every check, and usually states are a lot less generous than the federal govt. when it comes to state taxes, breaks and refunds, and nearly everyone who has bought... something... has had to pay a sales tax on that good or service, and don't forget property taxes too. Even the parasitic working class who apparently has it just f-cking dandy with zero worries about bills and living paycheck-to-paycheck if you listen to some people, pitches into the pot.

Just wanted to clear things up.

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It's fair that anyone vote against it. Doesn't matter what box they decide to put themselves in.

So investors don't work? I beg to differ.

Pretty much. The rest of us don't give a flying **** how much someone else makes.

LMFAO

Someone needs to do better research. Spending increased disproportional to income. That's how debt accumulates. It's really all about the spending.

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No one said anyone had it 'dandy' working paycheck to paycheck, so get your panties out of a twist. But that doesn't make it morally correct to demand other people pay MORE.

The issue is the government pissed away the money they were given, and now want more to make up for what needs to be paid. Perhaps cutting their spending is the answer?

As to who benefits from the taxes, it is more the mid to lower incomes that draw off, and that draw off exceeds anything they've put in. And where did that money come from?

The earned income credit EIC, offsets and exceeds anything the lower income have paid in ss or mcare, so no, they are not paying in. Those receiving assistance will will exceed anything they paid in a year within months. The rest comes from everyone else's pockets.

These are taxes that the supposed 'rich' pay into, and yet do not use the services they funded. Most people in income levels that use assistance don't own a home, to pay RE taxes. Sales tax is on consumption, and is usually used for schools locally, roads statewide, which most all people use.

Glad I could clear THAT up for you.

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"Try and fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured, but not everyone must prove they are a citizen".

Don't know what that means

You are not dumb so please don't act it. You understand what I mean. Should someone who simply invests money into ventures have more breaks and lower rates then those who do physical work?

The rest of us what? I don't care how much people make either. But someone making less should not pay a higher percentage in taxes or have fewer exemptions. That would be class warfare would it not?

You want to mix two different things. Spending is what was approved of by congress. Taxing is how you pay for that spending. Cutting the revenue means you are not paying for your spending. The right seems to believe in the starve the beast program where if you don't raise the revenue needed the spending will disappear. It never ever has worked. We simply barrow more. You want to deal with spending then deal with spending. We are talking taxes.

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Maybe you should understand your own questions then?

Define "physical work". I work in software. AND I invest. Which one is "physical work"?

Regardless, investments should most certainly be taxed less.

Your posts speak differently.

Income is irrelevant. Tax rate should be the same. (and much lower than it currently is)


And it shouldn't have been. That's kind of the issue.

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Define "physical work". I work in software. AND I invest. Which one is "physical work"?

Regardless, investments should most certainly be taxed less.


Income is irrelevant. Tax rate should be the same. (and much lower than it currently is).QUOTE]

You are so right, but some people simply can't grasp the concept that those of us that invest have already paid income taxes on the money we are investing with. They think that people that save a portion of their income and use it to (hopefully) create more wealth for themselves should be penalized for doing so by not only being double taxed, but by paying a percentage even higher than their regular income is taxed.

If something were to be fair, shouldn't it be equal? Those in the higher income brackets are already being taxed at a much higher rate than those in the lower brackets. Why should I have to pay nearly 1/3 of my income in taxes when others pay 10%? That doesn't seem fair.

I think you must have been confused. No problem.

Working in software is a job. Investing is an activity. You do understand the difference and are being coy. That is fine. Go ahead but I think "WE" know the difference. Regardless there should be no difference in rates.
At the same rate at least. So why are you arguing?

Actually it doesn't. Arguing for higher or lower taxes are still arguing class. But it seems raising taxes on people who are paying a lower percentage is class warfare. When we lower taxes on the rich it isn't called class warfare. that is the entire point. Not really that hard unless you choose to confuse the issue.

That is what the **** the entire point is. Thanks for finally getting around to it. The tax rate and revenue should reflect what we as a nation choose to spend. It's that simple. Just saying taxes should be lower is irrelevent. Besides I have no big issue with the rates or the programs we do in the U.S.. I do have a very big issue with the waste involved in these programs be it $500 screw drivers to people getting federal assistance who don't really need it. But I travel to countries with no social safety net. Screw that. I like what my country does, I think we could do it all better though. Probably much cheaper as well. I'm not a zealot though.


[/QUOTE]No, Actually spending is a different issue then this thread.

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