I'd need a lobotomy to think like a conservative...

I speak to fiscal responsibility, proper use of government, and personal freedom. Things that USED to matter until the Republicans were co-opted by the religious right and big business and the Democrats were crippled by supporting unions do or die and forgot about personal responsibility.

When I say I'm a liberal, I mean it. I didn't change the meaning of the word, it's these progressives posing as liberals that have made it a dirty word.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

Could you say that really really loud, so lots of people can hear it? It's a concept that has become foreign in this country.

Yep, pretty simple.
Too bad the US government thought banks should loan money to those that weren't able to pay it back.

Don't tell me you missed Obama's State of the Union address?
Cause reality didn't prevail.

And what have I been saying for so long.... You hit the nail right on..

And don't think the dear leader isn't one.. Heck now he is with the elite progressives, and thats miles from what you believe in and still further for regular Democrats...

Just to clear the air... Thanks for making my point official now.

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"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation... One is by sword... The other is by debt."

John Adams 1826

This.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing, something I've been trying to say in other threads.

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Agreed, but the point of this thread is the significant contribution government meddling made to the mortage meltdown. For example, if Fannie had refused to buy mortgage paper they in the words of chairman Mudd "didn't understand" meaning they didn't have a risk assessment model, the mortgage meltdown would have been far less severe if it had occured at all. Instead, they waded right in to "remain relevant" as Chairman Mudd rationalized. Who needs sound underwriting when you have the US Treasury to plunder?

Keep in mind Fannie's risky investment decision was on the heels of the massive accounting fraud from which Dimocrat party loyalists profited mightly and escaped serious inquiry little on prosecution. Indeed Jamie Gorelick was "punished" with an appointment to the 9/11 commission.

Per usual the Dimocrat solution to a crisis caused by government meddling in the free market is a package of "reforms" rewarding the Federal government with more regulatory power.

K, show us where anyone on this board has ever suggested that the gov't get completely out of everything. All I've ever read was that the gov't needs to be less involved and where it does need to be involved, it needs to be doing it better.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

With less employees, and as we get out from under this very high unemployment, I would think that would be the time to start with a lot of govt., waste in people power...

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"There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation... One is by sword... The other is by debt."

John Adams 1826