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This week the SCOTUS heard oral arguments on a Mississippi law limiting abortions to the first 15 weeks of pregnancies with limited exceptions for severe health risks and fetal viability. Weighing in for the abortion mill operators was the pro abortion lobbying group the Center for Reproductive Rights senior litigation director Julie Rikelman.

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The arguments opened with the Mississippi Solicitor General, Scott Stewart, urging the Court to overrule Roe and Casey—and almost 50 years of precedent—to find that there is no right to abortion in the Constitution.

In response, Rikelman gave powerful arguments against Mississippi’s unconstitutional ban and in defense of abortion rights and the standards established by the Court in the Roe and Casey. She argued: “Stare decisis presents an especially high bar here. In Casey, this Court carefully examined and rejected every possible reason for overruling Roe, holding that a woman’s right to end a pregnancy until viability was a rule of law and component of liberty it could not renounce.”

“Mississippi’s ban on abortion two months before viability is flatly unconstitutional under decades of precedent,” said Rikelman. “For a state to take control of a woman’s body and demand that she go through pregnancy and childbirth, with all the physical risks and life-altering consequences that brings, is a fundamental deprivation of her liberty.”

Rikelman’s arguments emphasized the importance of the right to abortion for liberty and gender equality. She pointed out the real-world impact that upholding Mississippi’s ban would have on women’s health and equality, particularly for those who are struggling to make ends meet—and said that “[e]liminating or reducing the right to abortion will propel women backwards.”
Rikelman's argument that the SCOTUS should slavishly follow precedent because people have come to depend on a so-called right conjured up by the court some 50 years ago by the mystical process of interpreting the penumbra from the bill of rights ignores the court's ability to correct bad decisions its made. The most infamous decision in the cavalcade of bad SCOTUS decisions, Dredd Scott, can justify its pro slavery opinion using the same argument of dependence on "settled law".

As usual the life of the unborn child is of no consideration compared to the hundreds of millions including $500 million in tax dollars reaped from the slaughter of innocents. Just like the slaves before them they are subhuman chattel to be disposed of at will.

Of course no radical Leftist lecture is complete without reference to equity, just as the scientific fact of gender has been renounced as discrimination and the definition of marriage has been rewritten by judicial fiat child bearing has been reduced to a form of repression for women. In the name of equity unborn children can be disposed of as casually as fast food packaging.

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This week the SCOTUS heard oral arguments on a Mississippi law limiting abortions to the first 15 weeks of pregnancies with limited exceptions for severe health risks and fetal viability. Weighing in for the abortion mill operators was the pro abortion lobbying group the Center for Reproductive Rights senior litigation director Julie Rikelman.



Rikelman's argument that the SCOTUS should slavishly follow precedent because people have come to depend on a so-called right conjured up by the court some 50 years ago by the mystical process of interpreting the penumbra from the bill of rights ignores the court's ability to correct bad decisions its made. The most infamous decision in the cavalcade of bad SCOTUS decisions, Dredd Scott, can justify its pro slavery opinion using the same argument of dependence on "settled law".

As usual the life of the unborn child is of no consideration compared to the hundreds of millions including $500 million in tax dollars reaped from the slaughter of innocents. Just like the slaves before them they are subhuman chattel to be disposed of at will.

Of course no radical Leftist lecture is complete without reference to equity, just as the scientific fact of gender has been renounced as discrimination and the definition of marriage has been rewritten by judicial fiat child bearing has been reduced to a form of repression for women. In the name of equity unborn children can be disposed of as casually as fast food packaging.

https://reproductiverights.org/supre...ban-arguments/
I heard that the KKK is not happy about this at all. They have always stood with Margret Sanger and planned parenthood. They all know that the majority of children aborted are black, and that is the dirty little secret the left doesn't want to talk about.
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The most infamous decision in the cavalcade of bad SCOTUS decisions, Dredd Scott, can justify its pro slavery opinion using the same argument of dependence on "settled law".
Absolutely correct!

And the second-most infamous SCOTUS decision--the one in Plessy v. Ferguson, in 1896--gave us the doctrine of "separate but equal"--which really meant very separate, but not very equal...
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15/4= just under 4 months. Sounds fair. As long as the woman's Hospital gynecologist can make his/her own decisions on the necessity at any time.
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Whenever a Lefty yells "Precedent!" and "Settled law!", just say to them "Citizens United" and watch the whiplash...
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The law was defended y two lawyers out to make a name for themselves, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead. All that was needed was to clarify that doctors- at that time working in an obgyn setting, could ply their own trade with the knowledge they took so many years to obtain. But along came the Texas Baptists and sai8d 'hold my beer.' Women suffered. And it didn't save any babies. That's what you get when you bend over backward for religious nuttery; a bad law with women still suffering w/o proper health care in clinics and still no babies saved.
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Notice too that many of the same Leftists proclaiming "my body, my choice" in support of slaughtering the unborn are first in line promoting Covid vaccine mandates.

It's all political posturing to exploit one crisis or another promoting the expansion of Federal power.
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The law was defended y two lawyers out to make a name for themselves, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead. All that was needed was to clarify that doctors- at that time working in an obgyn setting, could ply their own trade with the knowledge they took so many years to obtain. But along came the Texas Baptists and sai8d 'hold my beer.' Women suffered. And it didn't save any babies. That's what you get when you bend over backward for religious nuttery; a bad law with women still suffering w/o proper health care in clinics and still no babies saved.
You have noted exactly why you consider this to have been a bad decision.

But you have not addressed the real point, viz.: Why do liberals yell "precedent" and "settled law" when they like a decision, yet ignore that when they dislike it?

Does this not seem to you like a glaring double standard?
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You have noted exactly why you consider this to have been a bad decision.

But you have not addressed the real point, viz.: Why do liberals yell "precedent" and "settled law" when they like a decision, yet ignore that when they dislike it?

Does this not seem to you like a glaring double standard?
yes it does.
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