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Women sometimes get pregnant while on birth control.
There are many forms of birth control that are highly effective, yet the number of unwanted pregnancies continues to rise. Logic dictates that people are simply being irresponsible with their sexual activity and using abortion as a form of birth control.
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Women sometimes get pregnant while on birth control.
An overwhelming majority of women get pregnant because they had consensual sex...

Doesn't matter that the pill didn't work...Doesn't matter that the condom broke...Doesn't matter that the pull-out method was used...Their willful actions created the pregnancy...
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An overwhelming majority of women get pregnant because they had consensual sex...

Doesn't matter that the pill didn't work...Doesn't matter that the condom broke...Doesn't matter that the pull-out method was used...Their willful actions created the pregnancy...
And an overwhelming majority of men also like having consensual sex.
The only real beef I have w/ this new law is it asks bystanders w/o standing to go to court and sue anyone helping a woman go to another state to get an abortion. Curious the way it is written, because if the party suingwins, the uber driver or family friend who took the woman there or loaned her money, has to pay court cost BUT if the unrelated person suing loses the case she/he doesn't have to pay the assisting party's costs.
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No, and that reminded me of the video where Cathy Newman kept using that tactic on Jordan Peterson, saying he was suggesting things that he wasn't doing.
Well then, here is your chance: Are you admitting that most unwanted pregnancies do not occur because of the failure of birth control measures?

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The question for me and many other pro-choice people isn't the humanity of the fetus but the right of the woman to determine her own destiny.
Are you saying, then, that a human being may ethically be killed, if he (or she) poses a threat to the ability of the woman to "determine her own destiny"?

And if that is the case, what would be a reasonable argument against infanticide?

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You didn't answer my question, so I will ask it again: How is forcing a woman to continue with an unwanted pregnancy any different than forcing someone to be an organ donor against their will, in order to save an innocent human's life, which isn't legal to do?
I will be glad to furnish an answer.

There are not many organs that one cannot live without: the heart; the brain; and the liver, just to name some.

It is possible to donate one kidney, as one is actually born with two of these.

But it will inevitably result in a reduced quality of life--it will, after all, result in a reduced ability for the body to remove waste from the bloodstream.

Moreover, it may cause proteinuria--which causes a swelling in the abdomen or the ankles.

For those who are younger--it would not effect those of us who are somewhat aged--participating in contact sports is not recommended.

And, of course, there is no margin for error: If the remaining kidney fails, it will certainly result in either death or the need for dialysis (which is really a fate worse than death, I think).

Oh, one other thing: We really should not confuse the active with the passive. (For a woman not to receive an abortion--even if that is a requirement of the state--is something passive; whereas requiring a person to donate his or her kidney would be something active.)
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I will be glad to furnish an answer.

There are not many organs that one cannot live without: the heart; the brain; and the liver, just to name some.

It is possible to donate one kidney, as one is actually born with two of these.

But it will inevitably result in a reduced quality of life--it will, after all, result in a reduced ability for the body to remove waste from the bloodstream.

Moreover, it may cause proteinuria--which causes a swelling in the abdomen or the ankles.

For those who are younger--it would not effect those of us who are somewhat aged--participating in contact sports is not recommended.

And, of course, there is no margin for error: If the remaining kidney fails, it will certainly result in either death or the need for dialysis (which is really a fate worse than death, I think).

Oh, one other thing: We really should not confuse the active with the passive. (For a woman not to receive an abortion--even if that is a requirement of the state--is something passive; whereas requiring a person to donate his or her kidney would be something active.)
For me it's like saying...

Look we'll pay you 10,000 dollars (this is to simulate the benefits derived from sex) every time you come in and lay on this bed. We put you under and check your kidney, if it's a match for someone on our list, we will take it and give it to them. If it's not a match, we'll wake you up and send you on your way with your money. You get paid either way.

Under normal conditions depending on the time of the month there's about a 25% chance we will take it. Higher if your younger less if you are older. Also, you can look up online and see what the demand is. But even if the demand is way lower, there is still a non 0 chance that we might need to take it. Oh and if you wear a rubber suit or smear grease all over yourself before coming in the chance of us taking it goes to something like 0.01% still non 0 though.

Seems like a good idea to you so you take the money and start doing so regularly. Then one time they take the kidney and you start screaming you want your kidney back. Your body your choice. They explain if they give it back the other guy will die. Doesn't matter to you. Your body, your choice. So they kill the other guy and give you your kidney back.

Oh and in this scenario your kidney grows back in 9 months.
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No, and that reminded me of the video where Cathy Newman kept using that tactic on Jordan Peterson, saying he was suggesting things that he wasn't doing.



The question for me and many other pro-choice people isn't the humanity of the fetus but the right of the woman to determine her own destiny.

You didn't answer my question, so I will ask it again: How is forcing a woman to continue with an unwanted pregnancy any different than forcing someone to be an organ donor against their will, in order to save an innocent human's life, which isn't legal to do?
There you have it, the question for the pregnant woman might be her desire to end her pregnancy but that's not the only question. There is another person involved, the unborn child. The so-called choice to end the pregnancy is a death sentence for the child.

In our legal system minor children are considered unable to look after themselves we don't dispose of them when they become inconvenient to the parents. The unborn child deserves the same considerations by the legal system.

The needs of the child do not extend to forcing strangers to give up body parts even when that's the only hope for the child's survival. Firefighters aren't compelled to run into a burning building to rescue children when the perceived risk to their survival is too great. Good Samaritan laws shield would be rescuers when they decline to provide aid under a set of circumstances.
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I happen to believe in a women's right to choose. That choice is made at conception. After that, they have made their choice and should not take an innocent life because it is 'inconvenient'.
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