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For almost four years now, Democrats have been busily bashing Donald Trump for (supposedly) destroying American norms.

Well, do they not see the irony here, in leaving open the possibility that the SCOTUS will be expanded--when the number of justices has been set at nine for 151 years now?

Would that not be, truly, the destruction of an American norm?
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Don't forget wanting to remove the Electoral College, adding territories as states, and removing the filibuster...
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For almost four years now, Democrats have been busily bashing Donald Trump for (supposedly) destroying American norms.

Well, do they not see the irony here, in leaving open the possibility that the SCOTUS will be expanded--when the number of justices has been set at nine for 151 years now?

Would that not be, truly, the destruction of an American norm?
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Don't forget wanting to remove the Electoral College, adding territories as states, and removing the filibuster...
different than now but legal. unlike trying to pull a heist on an election.

lets not disappear the electoral college but call panels of R's D's and independents to draw districting lines.
removing thee filibuster on court confirmations was unfortunate, and a reaction to the no obama working government stance of mitch.
Bush tried to add Puerto Ricco I think and they didn't want to come over.
but we do have a long history of adding territories as states.
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different than now but legal. unlike trying to pull a heist on an election.
I never said that it would be illegal; but merely that it would represent the destruction of a norm--which does seem rather ironic.

And just what evidence of a "heist on an election" do you have, anyway?

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lets not disappear the electoral...
That will never happen.

Since the Electoral College is mandated by the Constitution, it could be abolished only by a constitutional amendment. And that would require the assent of two-thirds of both chambers of Congress (the House and the Senate), plus the assent of three-fourths of the states (i.e. 38 of them, currently).

So I am really not worried about it.
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Since the Electoral College is mandated by the Constitution, it could be abolished only by a constitutional amendment. And that would require the assent of two-thirds of both chambers of Congress (the House and the Senate), plus the assent of three-fourths of the states (i.e. 38 of them, currently).

So I am really not worried about it.
You better worry because you are right and wrong at the same time. Yes, the electoral college is set-out in the COTUSA but how those electors are chosen is left up to the states.
Art II, §1; "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress . . . "
You better read up on the The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. States that adopt it will assign their electoral college votes to the winner of the national popular vote.

16 states have already adopted it that together add up to 196 electoral votes; when enough states adopt it to overcome the 270 threshold, we will become a "national popular vote decides the President" nation without any constitutional amendment.

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I never said that it would be illegal; but merely that it would represent the destruction of a norm--which does seem rather ironic.

And just what evidence of a "heist on an election" do you have, anyway?

trying to interfere in an election like kidnapping the governor for said purpose, even if it was a stupid move. Like telling people mail in voting is rigged when it's not-also interfering in an lection.

That will never happen.
nor should it; if we draw districts correctly thee problem will go away.
Since the Electoral College is mandated by the Constitution, it could be abolished only by a constitutional amendment. And that would require the assent of two-thirds of both chambers of Congress (the House and the Senate), plus the assent of three-fourths of the states (i.e. 38 of them, currently).

So I am really not worried about it.
times ad majorities change.
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An aside from the "destruction of the norms"--

It is sickening to hear our elected senators and representatives whining about how the United States will never again be the same, Americans will not recognize it, we will be forever subject to megalomaniacal overlords, lap monkeys serving as judges, et cetera, if the left side takes over. I am wondering if Americans have lost the fighting spirit for freedom, and if their offspring are growing up to be weak, servile, little shltheads easily controlled and kept in the dark by scumbags wanting to enrich themselves off them.

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How dare the Democrats "destroy" norms like the composition of the Supreme Court! Those evil guys like Mitch McConnell refusing to do his job to consider a Supreme Court nomination and John McCain and Ted Cruz saying that the Court should be left with 8 members if Hillary Clinton were president. How dare those goddamn Democrats do such things!
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trying to interfere in an election like kidnapping the governor for said purpose, even if it was a stupid move. Like telling people mail in voting is rigged when it's not-also interfering in an lection.
Have you not been keeping up?

It was anarchists--not right-wing Republicans--who kidnapped Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

As for widespread mail-in voting, it does leave itself open for fraud. Why, the ballot could easily be filled out by someone else. (That possibility is deeply attenuated, of course, if there must be a witness, as in South Carolina--where a court recently upheld the state's law requiring a witness to any such ballot.)

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times ad majorities change.
It would require supermajorities--two-thirds of both chambers of Congress, and three-fourths of the states (currently, 38 of them) to pass a constitutional amendment.

Do you really imagine than sentiment has changed that much?
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How dare the Democrats "destroy" norms like the composition of the Supreme Court! Those evil guys like Mitch McConnell refusing to do his job to consider a Supreme Court nomination and John McCain and Ted Cruz saying that the Court should be left with 8 members if Hillary Clinton were president. How dare those goddamn Democrats do such things!
McConnell did his job blocking St Obama's nomination to the SCOTUS. According to the Constitution the each branch of Congress sets it's own internal rules. In the Senate the majority leader controls what comes to the floor including confirmation hearings and votes. Harry Reid ignored more than 50 Obamacare repeal bills without objection from Democrats. As Obama arrogantly proclaimed after Republican opposition to his budget collapsed in the face of his government shutdown "if Republicans want consideration they must first win elections". The incredible hypocrisy of Democrats insisting on endlessly pursuing a grievance is of course studiously ignored.
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