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After serving as the deciding vote to rewrite significant portions of Obamacare such as redefining the individual mandate as a tax, Chief Justice John Roberts delivered his annual homily on the role of the judiciary in our government.

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Each generation has an obligation to pass on to the next, not only a fully functioning government responsive to the needs of the people, but the tools to understand and improve it,” he said. “I ask my judicial colleagues to continue their efforts to promote public confidence in the judiciary, both through their rulings and through civic outreach. We should celebrate our strong and independent judiciary, a key source of national unity and stability. But we should also remember that justice is not inevitable. We should reflect on our duty to judge without fear or favor, deciding each matter with humility, integrity and dispatch.
Distrust of our Federal judiciary where forum shopped Federal district judges issue nationwide injunctions in service to political activism is corrosive to our national unity. It's not a matter of the judiciary run amok, they are apolitical forces for good. The problem is the objections to rule by the judicial oligarchs. The solution is more outreach by the political appointees with lifetime seats on the Federal bench. The unwashed masses just need to appreciate how fortunate we are to be ruled by judicial overlords.

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He also said...

“We should reflect on our duty to judge without fear or favor, deciding each matter with humility, integrity and dispatch,” he wrote in the report. “As the new year begins, and we turn to the tasks before us, we should each resolve to do our best to maintain the public’s trust that we are faithfully discharging our solemn obligation to equal justice under law.”

We shall see how he deals with the biggest trial of his career, this will define his legacy. Not that I have any faith in him. He couldn't even see the danger of corporate and foreign donors to democracy.

I urge everyone to take 8 minutes and watch this: https://youtu.be/rWcVtWennr0

It is former supreme court justice Souter talking about what he saw as the biggest threat to democracy: civic ignorance.

It starts to get a little eerie at about the 6 minute mark when he starts talking about how as civic ignorance gets worse, and as government does more and more questionable things, people will no longer know who to blame when things arent working. And when things arent working, it opens up room for some jackhole with orange skin to show up and say "I alone can fix it"
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He also said...

“We should reflect on our duty to judge without fear or favor, deciding each matter with humility, integrity and dispatch,” he wrote in the report. “As the new year begins, and we turn to the tasks before us, we should each resolve to do our best to maintain the public’s trust that we are faithfully discharging our solemn obligation to equal justice under law.”
He also was the one that changed the Obamacare law in order to make it "Constitutional" instead of ruling on the law as passed. I have no faith in him after that action.

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We shall see how he deals with the biggest trial of his career, this will define his legacy. Not that I have any faith in him. He couldn't even see the danger of corporate and foreign donors to democracy.
So you are saying that instead of ruling on the Constitutionality of a law, he should have employed judicial activism to make law? I know this is the modus opurandi of the left, just surprised to see you openly support it.

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I urge everyone to take 8 minutes and watch this: https://youtu.be/rWcVtWennr0

It is former supreme court justice Souter talking about what he saw as the biggest threat to democracy: civic ignorance.

It starts to get a little eerie at about the 6 minute mark when he starts talking about how as civic ignorance gets worse, and as government does more and more questionable things, people will no longer know who to blame when things arent working. And when things arent working, it opens up room for some jackhole with orange skin to show up and say "I alone can fix it"
I was with you on this until your last sentence, but agree with your premise. Souter is correct that and ignorance of civics in this country is leading this country to ruin. I have said this numerous times. We need to get the Federal Government OUT of Education and allow the States and the local BOE's to set curriculum. And basic Civics should be included in that.
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He also said...

“We should reflect on our duty to judge without fear or favor, deciding each matter with humility, integrity and dispatch,” he wrote in the report. “As the new year begins, and we turn to the tasks before us, we should each resolve to do our best to maintain the public’s trust that we are faithfully discharging our solemn obligation to equal justice under law.”

We shall see how he deals with the biggest trial of his career, this will define his legacy. Not that I have any faith in him. He couldn't even see the danger of corporate and foreign donors to democracy.

I urge everyone to take 8 minutes and watch this: https://youtu.be/rWcVtWennr0

It is former supreme court justice Souter talking about what he saw as the biggest threat to democracy: civic ignorance.

It starts to get a little eerie at about the 6 minute mark when he starts talking about how as civic ignorance gets worse, and as government does more and more questionable things, people will no longer know who to blame when things arent working. And when things arent working, it opens up room for some jackhole with orange skin to show up and say "I alone can fix it"
Problem is Robert's doesn't practice his injunction to carry out his duties with humility, integrity and dispatch as shown by his willingness to rewrite Obamacare's individual mandate as a tax and his failure to rein in district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions. Instead of healthy introspection Roberts message is the same old elitist complaint that the commoners dissatisfaction with the imperial judiciary is based on their ignorance of the divine nature of the black robed mandarins that rule our country.

It's amusing to see the universal belief by every politician that only they can fix problems as something toxic because Trump says it. Each and every passenger in the Democrat nomination clown car is convinced they have the only right solution to our problems but that's strength through diversity, right?
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It's amusing to see the universal belief by every politician that only they can fix problems as something toxic because Trump says it. Each and every passenger in the Democrat nomination clown car is convinced they have the only right solution to our problems but that's strength through diversity, right?
hahaha....this made me laugh. u got me there.!
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He also said...

“We should reflect on our duty to judge without fear or favor, deciding each matter with humility, integrity and dispatch,” he wrote in the report. “As the new year begins, and we turn to the tasks before us, we should each resolve to do our best to maintain the public’s trust that we are faithfully discharging our solemn obligation to equal justice under law.”

We shall see how he deals with the biggest trial of his career, this will define his legacy. Not that I have any faith in him. He couldn't even see the danger of corporate and foreign donors to democracy.

I urge everyone to take 8 minutes and watch this: https://youtu.be/rWcVtWennr0

It is former supreme court justice Souter talking about what he saw as the biggest threat to democracy: civic ignorance.

It starts to get a little eerie at about the 6 minute mark when he starts talking about how as civic ignorance gets worse, and as government does more and more questionable things, people will no longer know who to blame when things arent working. And when things arent working, it opens up room for some jackhole with orange skin to show up and say "I alone can fix it"
I'm happy to see that you used the word "Government" and not Republicans. Sometimes you act like Democrats are all honest and trustworthy, and all Republicans
are bad.

Couldn't Socialism be classified under Civil Ignorance?
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I'm happy to see that you used the word "Government" and not Republicans. Sometimes you act like Democrats are all honest and trustworthy, and all Republicans
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The problem, is that the Republican party is now the tRUmp party. If you still call yourself a Republican then yeah you are part of the problem. The GOP and its platform were radically different under Bush than it is now. It was during the Iraq War that it began to shift in composition, but it wasn’t until the Obama years that the GOP really began to use contrarianism to lure people in by just railing against whatever the Democrats were doing at the time. But tRUmp and his rhetoric are again a whole new level. It’s different, with more openness and rhetoric that was anathema to Republicans not even 20 years ago. Isolationism, pro-Russian, anti-NATO, protectionism. That would never have flown.

tRUmp was also opposed en masse by the Republican Establishment when he got the nomination. Don't you remember when Mcconnell and Graham were ****-talking Trump? That’s what makes their about-face turn to spreading his cheeks for tRUmp such a backstab. tRUmp cultivated an audience, sold normally rejected ideas using Republican rhetoric, and formed a personality cult. Bush never had a cult like this. McCain didn’t try to grow one. Romney flat-out rejected attempts by Mormons to pin him as the White Horse Prophecy.

Trumpism isn’t just “Republicanism”. The Republican Party hasn’t even had a set ideology for very long. Nixon’s GOP ideology looked nothing like Reagan’s, who looked nothing like W’s, who looked nothing like Trump’s.

People really need to realize that as much as we call it a “Two-Party System,” the American parties are coalitions of groups that shift and alter throughout the years, creating party platforms that nearly 180 degree differences in short periods of time.

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Couldn't Socialism be classified under Civil Ignorance?
Democratic Socialism is not the same as 'Socialism'. It's basically Capitalism with a lot of safety nets to keep the corporate and wealthy interests from abusing and using the rest of us.

By the way how do feel about the billions of tax payer dollars that tRUmp sent to farmers free of charge to make up for his failed trade war? That sounds like socialism to me right???....
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The problem, is that the Republican party is now the tRUmp party. If you still call yourself a Republican then yeah you are part of the problem. The GOP and its platform were radically different under Bush than it is now. It was during the Iraq War that it began to shift in composition, but it wasn’t until the Obama years that the GOP really began to use contrarianism to lure people in by just railing against whatever the Democrats were doing at the time. But tRUmp and his rhetoric are again a whole new level. It’s different, with more openness and rhetoric that was anathema to Republicans not even 20 years ago. Isolationism, pro-Russian, anti-NATO, protectionism. That would never have flown.

tRUmp was also opposed en masse by the Republican Establishment when he got the nomination. Don't you remember when Mcconnell and Graham were ****-talking Trump? That’s what makes their about-face turn to spreading his cheeks for tRUmp such a backstab. tRUmp cultivated an audience, sold normally rejected ideas using Republican rhetoric, and formed a personality cult. Bush never had a cult like this. McCain didn’t try to grow one. Romney flat-out rejected attempts by Mormons to pin him as the White Horse Prophecy.

Trumpism isn’t just “Republicanism”. The Republican Party hasn’t even had a set ideology for very long. Nixon’s GOP ideology looked nothing like Reagan’s, who looked nothing like W’s, who looked nothing like Trump’s.

People really need to realize that as much as we call it a “Two-Party System,” the American parties are coalitions of groups that shift and alter throughout the years, creating party platforms that nearly 180 degree differences in short periods of time.



Democratic Socialism is not the same as 'Socialism'. It's basically Capitalism with a lot of safety nets to keep the corporate and wealthy interests from abusing and using the rest of us.

By the way how do feel about the billions of tax payer dollars that tRUmp sent to farmers free of charge to make up for his failed trade war? That sounds like socialism to me right???....
Hmm... After Bush won reelection the radical Left announced they now owned the Democrat party we tried the moderation of an ersatz war hero without success. They settled on a radical socialist preaching "change" through fundamental transformation. An empty suit with ambitions to become the new messiah like so many socialists before him.

It's fashionable among Democrats to blame Republicans for the divisiveness of Obama's Presidency but the truth is Obama set the tone early when he abruptly halted negotiations over the gigantic stimulus bill by announcing "I won" the community organizer couldn't be bothered to listen to other voices once he had achieved political power. Later on after losing control of the House Obama would announce he would rule by pen and phone.

Famous for implementing a set of House rules so repressive it reduced Republicans to impotent bystanders, Nancy Pelosi became the embodiment of bitter partisan division. So much so Democrat House candidates promised they wouldn't vote to elect her Speaker. It turned out a vote for the Democrat was a vote for Pelosi as Speaker. Nonetheless Pelosi counseled against pursuing partisan political impeachment. But thanks to the ascendancy of even more radical Leftists like the Squad she reversed course.

Resistance Democrats have raised partisan division to a holy war no tactic is too extreme and no amount of destruction is too costly. It's classic them and us balkanization where even the killing of a terrorist leader with the blood of thousands of innocents on his hands is cause to condemn the bad Orange man.
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After serving as the deciding vote to rewrite significant portions of Obamacare such as redefining the individual mandate as a tax, Chief Justice John Roberts delivered his annual homily on the role of the judiciary in our government.



Distrust of our Federal judiciary where forum shopped Federal district judges issue nationwide injunctions in service to political activism is corrosive to our national unity. It's not a matter of the judiciary run amok, they are apolitical forces for good. The problem is the objections to rule by the judicial oligarchs. The solution is more outreach by the political appointees with lifetime seats on the Federal bench. The unwashed masses just need to appreciate how fortunate we are to be ruled by judicial overlords.

https://www-latimes-com.cdn.ampproje...r-to-democracy
usually an oligarch denotes someone who has concentrated on becoming wealthy or keeping inherited wealth then through contacts gotten appointed to a position of power. did justice roberts do that?
I know of one true oligarch -Devos- and a few suspected ones.
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