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OOH! Let's go back more. Mexico and all those other POS countries that don't care for the common welfare of their people might have prevented this influx of illegal aliens into the United States.
And yet we decided to pizz them off so they wouldn't work with us on it.
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The onliest thing I found regarding the California AG is a statement that the losing states will appeal. No surprise there.

This will go to SCOTUS. And guess what?

Elections have consequences.
you did not read it then. he said that as quoted in article
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The logic is that the Supreme Court ruled that the ACA was legal ONLY IF the mandate was considered a tax...That mandate has been removed, therefore, not tax, so the whole thing isn't legal, not any "particular provisions"...

What the Supreme Court ruled on health care 'tax'
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The point is that there are many provisions of the ACA completely unrelated to that tax. There is no basis for invalidating the Medicaid expansion provisions, for example. That overreach will provide the basis for the Fifth Circuit reversal.
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good ol’ medicare expansion.
gotta love that.
don’t be surprised that it becomes the entire healthcare system outside employer provided insurance.
it’s something trump supported before he was against it.
it’s something i believe most politicians would support because it’s a system we already have and it would be easy to hide behind as support for those who have it or may need it.
i have figured from the beginning that this is where the whole thing is headed.
this new challenge and ruling may usher it in.
very good points. It will be interesting to see how this does play out.
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ACA did not ;provide "Health Care" It provided a structure for Affordable Insurance. To do so, it had to completely regulate the Health "INSURANCE' industry. To do that it overregulated health CARE and the Pharmaceutical industry.

The result has been great for the Big Insurers, who simply divvied up the country, and Big Pharma, but disastrous for Health Care providers and consumers alike. Removal of the mandate will starve it into failure. This just nails the coffin.

The law was birthed illegitimately in the Senate. Which cannot tax the People. The SCOTUS had to call it a tax to make it legit. The SCOTUS cannot Tax the people either. So it is an amazement to me that it still stands at all.

There are better ways to insure that all people have access to healthcare. Including provisions for pre-existing conditions. But unless we place some responsibility on the Health care consumers instead of just doling it out free, the system will not work to provide the best possible care in the world.

Like it used to be before the Gubmit convinced WE-THE-PEOPLE that they could do it better.
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Like it used to be before the Gubmit convinced WE-THE-PEOPLE that they could do it better.
Like it was in 1970. Only better.
Insurance was going up every year for a decade or more and most recenttly previous to ACA by leaps and bounds.
That is why so many were in favor of a program of assistance and lowering drug costs. Most people on both sides wanted a single payer option and expected it till politics...
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Like it was in 1970. Only better.
Insurance was going up every year for a decade or more and most recenttly previous to ACA by leaps and bounds.
That is why so many were in favor of a program of assistance and lowering drug costs. Most people on both sides wanted a single payer option and expected it till politics...
Insurance premiums skyrocketed after ACA Obamacare. Thus proving what I said.


And most people did not want single payer. They wanted competitive rates and affordable access. Socialized medicine has it's good points, at least until the money runs out. But socialized insurance is ripe for corruption, fraud and greed. It has no motivation to improve healthcare or make it more affordable.
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Insurance premiums skyrocketed after ACA Obamacare. Thus proving what I said.


And most people did not want single payer. They wanted competitive rates and affordable access. Socialized medicine has it's good points, at least until the money runs out. But socialized insurance is ripe for corruption, fraud and greed. It has no motivation to improve healthcare or make it more affordable.
they were already skyrocketing and set to go up further. a negotiation left the raises alone till a certain date. then so much percentage could only be spent administratively, the rest had to go on patient care/ doc/ meds etc.

This argument doesn't matter anyway, because we will eventually (sooner than we expect) get expanded medicare or something like it. then preexisting will be a moot point.
trump will do it to get reelected
if repubs go against him they'll get replaced by the voters.
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Today we...took access to health care away from 20 million people and 130 million disabled and chronically ill folk.
Are you suggesting that healthcare in America, pre-ObamaCare, was...well, just plain evil?
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Are you suggesting that healthcare in America, pre-ObamaCare, was...well, just plain evil?
pretty much.
working people paid higher and higher premiums with higher and higher deductibles. insurers could sell you cheaper policies that didn't cover crap. Insurance companies denied you if you had whatever they deemed pre existing from being a former abused woman to having had corrective heart surgery like me.
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they were already skyrocketing and set to go up further. a negotiation left the raises alone till a certain date. then so much percentage could only be spent administratively, the rest had to go on patient care/ doc/ meds etc.

This argument doesn't matter anyway, because we will eventually (sooner than we expect) get expanded medicare or something like it. then preexisting will be a moot point.
trump will do it to get reelected
if repubs go against him they'll get replaced by the voters.
here are some questions to consider...
when did the skyrocketing of insurance begin?
what caused the skyrocketing to begin?
why had it not skyrocketed prior to the noted skyrocketing?

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