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Contrary to the impeachment obsessed Democrats poised to take control of the House a group of incoming Democrats is reminding their caucus leadership Congress has a primary duty to legislate rather than undermine elections with endless, pointless elections.

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Nearly four dozen incoming House Democrats told their future leaders Monday that they should prioritize action on health care, immigration, gun control and other topics over investigations into the Trump administration.

The message was delivered in a letter that 46 freshmen sent to the entire Democratic leadership team, including Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), whom Democrats nominated to become the next speaker and who is seeking to persuade her internal critics to support her in a decisive Jan. 3 floor vote.
The freshman members of the Democrat caucus went on to outline what the role of the House ought to be.

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“While we have a duty to exercise oversight over the Executive Branch, particularly when the Administration crosses legal lines or contravenes American values, we must prioritize action on topics such as the cost of healthcare and prescription drugs, our crumbling infrastructure, immigration, gun safety, the environment, and criminal justice reform,” the freshmen wrote. “While we may not always agree on how to approach every issue, we are united in the belief that we have a mandate to debate, draft, and work across the aisle to pass legislation.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ouse-priority/

It's too bad the old guard Democrat leadership continue to be driven by Resistance blind hatred rather than an agenda designed to tackle the country's problems.
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It's too bad the old guard Democrat leadership continue to be driven by Resistance blind hatred rather than an agenda designed to tackle the country's problems.
It's too bad Republicans continue to basically lie about the Democrats and their political agenda.

Nancy Pelosi, that's expected to become the Speaker of the House again, outlined the Democrats agenda before the election in anticipation of taking control.

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Projecting confidence about her party's chances, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi outlined five of the top 10 agenda items Democrats will pursue if they retake the House in next month's election.

Lowering health care costs, rebuilding infrastructure and running the House chamber with more transparency and openness are near the top of the Democratic agenda, Pelosi said during a talk Tuesday at Harvard's Institute of Politics. Democrats would also prioritize giving legal status to young immigrants, known as Dreamers, and strengthening background checks on gun purchases, she said.

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1. Lowering health care costs
2. Rebuilding infrastructure
3. More transparency and openness
4. Legal status for Dreamers
5. Strengthening background checks on gun purchases

All of these five agenda items have the support of the majority of the American people so where do you and Republicans stand on each of these issues?
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It's too bad Republicans continue to basically lie about the Democrats and their political agenda.

Nancy Pelosi, that's expected to become the Speaker of the House again, outlined the Democrats agenda before the election in anticipation of taking control.



1. Lowering health care costs
2. Rebuilding infrastructure
3. More transparency and openness
4. Legal status for Dreamers
5. Strengthening background checks on gun purchases

All of these five agenda items have the support of the majority of the American people so where do you and Republicans stand on each of these issues?
That's so impressive Nancy Pelosi put out a window dressing memo of agenda points. That outweighs the written concerns of nearly 4 dozen members of her caucus.

But don't worry, the same Democrats that promised not to vote Pelosi the speakers gavel will line up to support her Trump hate obsession to the exclusion of meaningful legislation. Pelosi led House Democrats refused to compromise when they were in the minority on issues such as DACA even when the Republicans offered what was in effect amnesty to double the number of illegals in the program. There is nothing to indicate Pelosi's blind opposition to Trump will lessen when she becomes Speaker.

BTW, Trump is viciously attacked for not providing details with every legislative request but you accept Pelosi's list of nothing more than a list of topics as a legislative agenda. It's obvious the Democrats are focused on Resistance goals of destroying Trump not the legislative agenda the give lip service.
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That's so impressive Nancy Pelosi put out a window dressing memo of agenda points. That outweighs the written concerns of nearly 4 dozen members of her caucus.

But don't worry, the same Democrats that promised not to vote Pelosi the speakers gavel will line up to support her Trump hate obsession to the exclusion of meaningful legislation. Pelosi led House Democrats refused to compromise when they were in the minority on issues such as DACA even when the Republicans offered what was in effect amnesty to double the number of illegals in the program. There is nothing to indicate Pelosi's blind opposition to Trump will lessen when she becomes Speaker.

BTW, Trump is viciously attacked for not providing details with every legislative request but you accept Pelosi's list of nothing more than a list of topics as a legislative agenda. It's obvious the Democrats are focused on Resistance goals of destroying Trump not the legislative agenda the give lip service.
Nancy Pelosi, love her or hate her, is the most qualified person in the Democratic Party to be Speaker of the House. She knows how to make things happen like no other Democrat in the House. Freshmen Democrats in the House are beginning to understand that. Pelosi has also listened to their concerns and knows that they represent the future of the Democratic Party. I don't blame the freshman Democrats if they are convinced by compelling arguments that Pelosi is the best person they have to be Speaker and now vote for her. Of note the Speaker is elected by all members of the House and their are Republicans that would vote for Pelosi.

Republicans never offered stand alone DACA legislation for a vote. Had they done so then arguably it could have passed with a veto proof majority.

The greatest critics of Donald Trump are lifetime Republicans that find his agenda ignorant, racist, and repulsive. Michael Steele, former RNC Chairman, Nicole Wallace from the Bush White House, former Rep. Joe Scarborough, and the iconic member of the conservative press George Will, have been the most vocal critics of Donald Trump. Conservative newspapers like the Arizona Republic have been more critical and condemning of Donald Trump than any Democrat I'm aware of. The truth about Donald Trump is coming from the Right and not the Left that's mostly remained silent.

Still, back to this BS thread that's based upon a lie. The priority for Democrats is to govern and they've been actively promoting bipartisanship in doing so. The question isn't whether the Democrats will be bipartisan because they know they have to be but whether the Republicas are willing to be bipartisan.

As for investigations we know that they will take place. It's a part of Congressional responsibility to provide oversight of the Executive Branch. It's also something that the Republicans have failed to provide since Trump was elected.
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Nancy Pelosi, love her or hate her, is the most qualified person in the Democratic Party to be Speaker of the House. She knows how to make things happen like no other Democrat in the House. Freshmen Democrats in the House are beginning to understand that. Pelosi has also listened to their concerns and knows that they represent the future of the Democratic Party. I don't blame the freshman Democrats if they are convinced by compelling arguments that Pelosi is the best person they have to be Speaker and now vote for her. Of note the Speaker is elected by all members of the House and their are Republicans that would vote for Pelosi.

Republicans never offered stand alone DACA legislation for a vote. Had they done so then arguably it could have passed with a veto proof majority.

The greatest critics of Donald Trump are lifetime Republicans that find his agenda ignorant, racist, and repulsive. Michael Steele, former RNC Chairman, Nicole Wallace from the Bush White House, former Rep. Joe Scarborough, and the iconic member of the conservative press George Will, have been the most vocal critics of Donald Trump. Conservative newspapers like the Arizona Republic have been more critical and condemning of Donald Trump than any Democrat I'm aware of. The truth about Donald Trump is coming from the Right and not the Left that's mostly remained silent.

Still, back to this BS thread that's based upon a lie. The priority for Democrats is to govern and they've been actively promoting bipartisanship in doing so. The question isn't whether the Democrats will be bipartisan because they know they have to be but whether the Republicas are willing to be bipartisan.

As for investigations we know that they will take place. It's a part of Congressional responsibility to provide oversight of the Executive Branch. It's also something that the Republicans have failed to provide since Trump was elected.
Nancy Pelosi is the most experienced at being Speaker, that doesn't mean she is the best person for the job or even the best Democrats could do. The fact is more than a dozen successful Democrat candidates pledged not to vote for Pelosi as Speaker. Trying to paper over their dishonest representations to the voters with claims of "best qualified" is typical swamp doublespeak.

It's a nonsensical excuse to blame Republicans for Democrat refusal to accept a far more generous DACA offer than they proposed. Once again Democrats show their concern for the so-called dreamers is of no importance compared to blocking Trump.

The AZ Republic newspaper hasn't been Conservative oriented for many years. The so-called local newspaper is now nothing but a shell for the Trump hating USA Today. In the most recent election the Republic endorsed radical Leftist Kirsten Sinema over combat military veteran Martha McSally, that is the polar opposite of a Conservative editorial orientation.

It only took a few days after being declared the election winner for Senator elect Sinema to void her solemn pledge not to support Trump hating Senator Schumer for Senate minority leader. But we ought to ignore her dishonesty just as we are compelled to ignore the false promises of Democrats pledging not to vote for Pelosi.
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Nancy Pelosi is the most experienced at being Speaker, that doesn't mean she is the best person for the job or even the best Democrats could do. The fact is more than a dozen successful Democrat candidates pledged not to vote for Pelosi as Speaker. Trying to paper over their dishonest representations to the voters with claims of "best qualified" is typical swamp doublespeak.

It's a nonsensical excuse to blame Republicans for Democrat refusal to accept a far more generous DACA offer than they proposed. Once again Democrats show their concern for the so-called dreamers is of no importance compared to blocking Trump.

The AZ Republic newspaper hasn't been Conservative oriented for many years. The so-called local newspaper is now nothing but a shell for the Trump hating USA Today. In the most recent election the Republic endorsed radical Leftist Kirsten Sinema over combat military veteran Martha McSally, that is the polar opposite of a Conservative editorial orientation.

It only took a few days after being declared the election winner for Senator elect Sinema to void her solemn pledge not to support Trump hating Senator Schumer for Senate minority leader. But we ought to ignore her dishonesty just as we are compelled to ignore the false promises of Democrats pledging not to vote for Pelosi.
Regardless of your opinions of Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer, neither of which have ever expressed hatred of Donald Trump, the Democrats in the House are first and foremost going there to address needed legislation and they're doing so in a bipartisan manner. Any oversight investigation of the Trump administration will be based upon substantive evidence of wrongdoing and not witch hunts like Republicans that are still trying to hang Hillary Clinton over her private email use after the DOJ has determined no criminal wrongdoing.

Republicans never offered any independent legislation for DACA. The GOP attached DACA legislation to anti-immigration proposals that were completely unacceptable to most Americans and to Democrats.

The Arizona Republican was correct from a conservative standpoint to reject McSally because of her positions that contradicted the traditional conservative Republican political agenda. A person cannot be a Trump supporter and a conservative Republican at the same time because the two are self-contradictory. Kirsten Sinema is a centralist, not a leftist, with a proven record of working with both Democrats and Republicans to resolve issues with bipartisan solutions. As a centralist she's far closer to holding conservative Republican positions than McSally that's a Trump supporter before all else. One problem for McSally is that all she ran on was being a Trump supporter and attack ads that falsely represented Sinema. She never really did address her positions on the issues but her record spoke for her and it wasn't a good record. Of note, being a former combat pilot, while commendable, did not qualify her for office.
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The issue of Nancy Pelosi becoming the Speaker of the House has been resolved for everyone including Democrats that had stated they would support another Democrat for Speaker. No other Democrats challenged Pelosi for the position of Speaker so Pelosi is the only Democrat that Democrats can vote for. Problem solved.

In listening to newly elected House Democrats they're totally focused on the legislation Americans want but that Republicans in Congress have refused to address.

Healthcare is the highest priority based upon surveys of American voters which means fixing Obamacare starting with the repairs necessary because of Republican attempts to make Obamacare fail (although Obamacare was too strong to fail even with the Republican's all out attempts). We can assume reinstatement of the penalties for failure to comply with the individual mandate or the alternative of requiring the federal government to carry the cost burden for the insurance subsidies.

Fixing the national debt also has to be high on the list because of the huge deficits the Republicans have left for us. We can assume a rollback of the tax cuts for the wealthy as a minimum and perhaps a rollback of the corporate tax cuts that the corporations didn't need to begin with.

Increased border security using cost effective methods (that would exclude Trump's border wall that Mexico refuses to pay for). It would also be proper for the Democrats to address the Refugee Act of 1980 and our current immigration laws granting asylum and lawful entry into the United States to force the executive branch to grant asylum and authorization to lawfully be allowed into the United States. President Trump's administration has refused to allow this lawful immigration in a timely manner causing a huge back-up at the Mexican border that's lead to massive unlawful entry into the United States where refugees can also apply for asylum regardless of how they entered the US.

New criteria for the Voting Rights Act, Section 4b, is anticipated based upon today's methods for discrimination in voting laws. Prior to the Voting Right Act is was Jim Crow laws like literacy tests and poll taxes along with gerrymandering. Today it's Voter ID laws, reducing early voting, closing or moving polling places, and gerrymandering of congressional districts to concentrate the Black vote because Blacks vote almost exclusively for Democrats. In any case an updated criteria for Section 4b has been necessary since the Supreme Court correctly ruled that the criteria from 1964 was no longer Constitutional because it was so woefully out of date.

We can expect legislative protections for DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) and DAPA (Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents) that include a path for citizenship.

Infrastructure authorizations and funding will be high on the list.

The Democrats have a lot of legislative issues to deal with that the American people want but that Republicans ignored.

That won't prevent the investigations of the Trump administration by the Democrats in the House. If I've read correctly there are potentially 85 House investigations warranted by the Trump administration that haven't been conducted or where the investigation served as a cover-up as opposed to actually attempting to determine the facts. All this really means is that Democrats plan on fulfilling their legislative responsibilities while the investigations will take second billing.

Democrats are also dedicated to forming bi-partisan solutions to our problems although there's little evidence that Republicans will get on board with Democratic proposals regardless of how good those proposals might be.
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Contrary to the impeachment obsessed Democrats poised to take control of the House a group of incoming Democrats is reminding their caucus leadership Congress has a primary duty to legislate rather than undermine elections with endless, pointless elections.



The freshman members of the Democrat caucus went on to outline what the role of the House ought to be.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ouse-priority/

It's too bad the old guard Democrat leadership continue to be driven by Resistance blind hatred rather than an agenda designed to tackle the country's problems.
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1. Lowering health care costs
2. Rebuilding infrastructure
3. More transparency and openness
4. Legal status for Dreamers
5. Strengthening background checks on gun purchases
1) yeah; we’ve gone down that road of lies once before.
2) states and local governments should be doing the most of this. but for the responsibilities of the federal government yes we should be taking care of our common areas.
3) lol. that’s a dead end street of lies we fell for once before.
4) on its own? no. as part of a larger deal for border security? possibly.
5) specifics are needed before anyone could form a reasonable opinion.

now what’s the possibilty that the left will just go along no matter what they do and the right will just disagree?
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1) yeah; we’ve gone down that road of lies once before.
2) states and local governments should be doing the most of this. but for the responsibilities of the federal government yes we should be taking care of our common areas.
3) lol. that’s a dead end street of lies we fell for once before.
4) on its own? no. as part of a larger deal for border security? possibly.
5) specifics are needed before anyone could form a reasonable opinion.

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I disagree that infrastructure is only a state or local problem. we have interstates in this country owned by the federal government. they need repair.
the electrical grid got some help during Obama but there's more left to do.

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now what’s the possibility that the left will just go along no matter what they do and the right will just disagree?
I agree with this part.
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