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Old 11-21-2018, 01:40 PM
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The country does not have "Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges," the leader of the federal judiciary said.
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It's the first time the Republican-appointed leader of the federal judiciary has offered even a hint of criticism of Trump, who has previously blasted federal judges who ruled against him.
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...the initial travel ban ruling in 2017 was issued by U.S. District Judge James Robart, an appointee of President George W. Bush. Roberts also was appointed by Bush.
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Trump also referred to a judge who was presiding over a fraud lawsuit against Trump University as a Mexican who would be unable to rule fairly because of Trump's proposal to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border.
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Trump had spoken Tuesday when a reporter asked for his reaction to a ruling by U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar in San Francisco that put the administration's asylum policy on hold.
you think he's oh gosh darn just uncle Don; there he goes again?
I think he's a fvckin fascist.
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It's no surprise Robert's the architect of rewriting Obamacare from the bench would object to our President criticizing judicial supremacy. How dare President Trump point out the obvious abuse of judicial forum shopping to produce nation wide injunctions by a district court judge second guessing the elected President.

Gone completely is the traditional deference of the Courts to the other Federal branches replaced by the dictatorial impulses of appointed partisans on the Federal bench remaking the government and the law to their liking. But as Roberts points out they are hard working authoritarians undermining the election so it's all good.
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It's no surprise Robert's the architect of rewriting Obamacare from the bench would object to our President criticizing judicial supremacy. How dare President Trump point out the obvious abuse of judicial forum shopping to produce nation wide injunctions by a district court judge second guessing the elected President.

Gone completely is the traditional deference of the Courts to the other Federal branches replaced by the dictatorial impulses of appointed partisans on the Federal bench remaking the government and the law to their liking. But as Roberts points out they are hard working authoritarians undermining the election so it's all good.
Or, more accurately, the administration issued an executive order that was in direct conflict with the applicable statute, and just about any district court judge in the country would have reached the same conclusion, but it’s easier for Trump to blame partisanship than his own disregard for the law.
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Congress passed a law on this.
Trump thinks he can rewrite the law with an Executive Order.
The courts properly spank Trump.

And Repubs have the gall to claim "legislating from the bench"????



Instead of clapping Trump on the back for a strawman misrepresentation of what happened, how about standing up for objective reality and simply recognizing that what Trump did was wrong?

The reality is that, objectively, ANY court should have come to that conclusion.
Any court that wouldn't would be an example of right-wing partisan judiciary...


Once upon a time we had a black man who was arrested in his own home for absolutely no good reason. (Charges were dropped and they had absolutely no case...)
The right jumped all over Obama for openly stating that was stupid.
But today, we have a president who attacks people willy nilly just for questioning or criticizing him...
... and he's got applause from Republicans virtually every time.



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Or, more accurately, the administration issued an executive order that was in direct conflict with the applicable statute, and just about any district court judge in the country would have reached the same conclusion, but it’s easier for Trump to blame partisanship than his own disregard for the law.
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you think he's oh gosh darn just uncle Don; there he goes again?
I think he's a fvckin fascist.
But by golly, the media says "slams" and that is what it is, no bias at all in that opinion.
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Or, more accurately, the administration issued an executive order that was in direct conflict with the applicable statute, and just about any district court judge in the country would have reached the same conclusion, but it’s easier for Trump to blame partisanship than his own disregard for the law.
What is the so-called applicable statute President Trump violated?

Despite your claim the Immigration and Nationality act gives the President authority to issue proclamations defining the rules for immigration including asylum seekers.

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The Immigration and Nationality Act says the president “may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...order.amp.html

I know the Obama appointed activist on the Federal bench wants to second guess President Trump but it requires ignoring the law in favor of Resistance hatred.
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Congress passed a law on this.
Trump thinks he can rewrite the law with an Executive Order.
The courts properly spank Trump.

And Repubs have the gall to claim "legislating from the bench"????



Instead of clapping Trump on the back for a strawman misrepresentation of what happened, how about standing up for objective reality and simply recognizing that what Trump did was wrong?

The reality is that, objectively, ANY court should have come to that conclusion.
Any court that wouldn't would be an example of right-wing partisan judiciary...


Once upon a time we had a black man who was arrested in his own home for absolutely no good reason. (Charges were dropped and they had absolutely no case...)
The right jumped all over Obama for openly stating that was stupid.
But today, we have a president who attacks people willy nilly just for questioning or criticizing him...
... and he's got applause from Republicans virtually every time.




Exactly!
Congress passed the Immigration and Nationality act which specifies.

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The Immigration and Nationality Act says the president “may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
So you have the gall to make claims about "a law" in the face of a specific law that gives the President authority to make immigration proclamations restricting asylum applications to ports of entry.

You have the gall to whine about Skip Gates arrest when Obama admitted he didn't know the facts leading up to the officer's decision to take Gates into custody before he criticized the police officer. The other two officers on scene, one black and the other Hispanic agreed with the decision to arrest Gates. But the officer was white so Gates had the right 5o scream racial epithets at him.

Charges were dropped some 5 days later with heavy political overtones. Predictably Gates complained about racism but never filed a formal complaint or lawsuit.

Obama backed away from his earlier criticism of the police. He even conducted a "beer summit" to try to gloss over his foolishness. The enduring image from the beer summit shows Obama walking in front with his chin thrust upward while the "racist" white cop helps Gates down the WH stairs.
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Anyone remember when Obama attacked the WHOLE Supreme Court, during his 2010 State of the Union address, right to the justices faces?...

Gloves come off after Obama rips Supreme Court ruling

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Yeah...Roberts just sat there and said, "Thank you, sir! May I have another?"...

But this is "Trump" and Roberts needs those invites to the elite Washington parties...
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What is the so-called applicable statute President Trump violated?

Despite your claim the Immigration and Nationality act gives the President authority to issue proclamations defining the rules for immigration including asylum seekers.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...order.amp.html

I know the Obama appointed activist on the Federal bench wants to second guess President Trump but it requires ignoring the law in favor of Resistance hatred.
You may want to read the Supreme Court’s decision in Trump v. Hawaii. The Court went to great lengths to explain that the travel ban (based on this provision, INA section 212(f)) did not conflict with any specific statutory provision. In this case, Trump’s new asylum policy does. Congress gave the president authority to expand on and supplement immigration restrictions. It did not give him authority to override a specific law. In this case, INA section 208 states that any person physically present in the United States, regardless of how or where he or she entered is eligible to apply for asylum. The section states in part that “Any alien . . . who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters) irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum . . .”
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You may want to read the Supreme Court’s decision in Trump v. Hawaii. The Court went to great lengths to explain that the travel ban (based on this provision, INA section 212(f)) did not conflict with any specific statutory provision. In this case, Trump’s new asylum policy does. Congress gave the president authority to expand on and supplement immigration restrictions. It did not give him authority to override a specific law. In this case, INA section 208 states that any person physically present in the United States, regardless of how or where he or she entered is eligible to apply for asylum. The section states in part that “Any alien . . . who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters) irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum . . .”
Trump versus Hawaii is an example of the SCOTUS overruling a partisan political activist on the Federal bench.

I cannot see an exception to the President's authority to make proclamations regulating immigration, can you?

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The Immigration and Nationality Act says the president “may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
Conforming to the law means recognizing the President's authority not picking and choosing which sections of the statute will be followed according to the whim of a Federal district judge puffing up their ego by issuing nationwide injunctions.
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