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Old 07-02-2018, 10:57 AM
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How would a future court overcome Roe v Wade? The defacto unfettered so-called right to abortion is built on the right to privacy literally conjured up from the Constitutional "penumbra" discovered in Griswold versus Connecticut.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut

Even abortion advocates recognize the lunacy of judges peering into the penumbra, gaseous emissions from a star, to discover new rights. That's why it has to be masked by citing concurring opinions. We ought to have privacy protections but judges acting as ancient oracles is something never remotely contemplated in the Constitution. Without the phony right to privacy Roe v Wade collapses.
court decisions have been made on right to privacy before rvw.
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I find it hilarious that the left is all in a panic about Roe v Wade concerning a new SCOTUS appointment. Or maybe it isn't a panic and is more a media driven leftist agenda. The OP seems to be in a panic because the media said so.

Will the media next tell the left to be scared that Loving v Virginia is on the chopping block?

I once saw this movie called "Idiocracy".......
I find it curious. but the real danger is if trump gets to one on the list with his loyalty pledge then nominates him/her.
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Old 07-02-2018, 12:49 PM
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[QUOTE=Bat;939329]I find it hilarious that the left is all in a panic about Roe v Wade concerning a new SCOTUS appointment. Or maybe it isn't a panic and is more a media driven leftist agenda. The OP seems to be in a panic because the media said so.

Will the media next tell the left to be scared that Loving v Virginia is on the chopping block?

I once saw this movie called "Idiocracy".......[/QUOTE]


The MSM drives what the left thinks and talks about on a day to day basis.
The MSM didn't talk about immigrant children when Obama was POTUS, so there was no problem. MSM also didn't discuss troop deaths under Obama, so no one died, ( even though 3 times as many US soldiers died under Obama )
The MSM has left wing brains in the palm of their hands.

Great movie, I think that is what a socialist utopia turns into after a couple hundred years.
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Old 07-02-2018, 02:45 PM
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Yes, so this possibility is a major concern to those who believe in a woman's right to self determination. Back alley, septic abortions have mostly become a thing of the past, but those who worship a group of dividing cells don't care about women.
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I believe once the heart starts beating, it is a living organism which if allowed will only became a human creature. A PERSON. We have a right to life in America. All "Persons" within our borders have that right. I says so in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. No where does it state one person has the sole right to snuff it out.

Not the King, Not the President, not a judge, not even a single mom.

It is a truth as inconvenient as the requirement for 12 people to agree on the execution of a known and self admitted mass murderer. Even that requires the sanction of a judge and a long process of appeals.

To date, over 50,000,000 murdered innocents who had no appeal.

The concern here seems to be that if we get another constructionist judge on the SCOTUS, one who believes the Constitution is amendable but not malleable, Roe v Wade is toast. It simply is not true.

The SCOTUS is reluctant to reverse itself easily. At best, it would take years of successive appeal through the entire appellate system to modify or budge ROE V Wade much less remove it. It most certainly will take more than one more Conservative Judge.

Perhaps a revolution,,,; but not one judge
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court decisions have been made on right to privacy before rvw.


I find it curious. but the real danger is if trump gets to one on the list with his loyalty pledge then nominates him/her.
You do realize that the Supreme Court doesn't suddenly change some past ruling by decree, don't you?
The way it works, a new case has to come before them (after traveling through the lower courts first), then be heard and ruled upon. New cases are typically not the same old crud that already was ruled upon. It's a new twist, a new angle, a different circumstance. Typically takes years to happen.
As is typical of the leftist media, this is naught but more fear mongering to rile up the Democrat base.
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The MSM drives what the left thinks and talks about on a day to day basis.
The MSM didn't talk about immigrant children when Obama was POTUS, so there was no problem. MSM also didn't discuss troop deaths under Obama, so no one died, ( even though 3 times as many US soldiers died under Obama )
The MSM has left wing brains in the palm of their hands.

Great movie, I think that is what a socialist utopia turns into after a couple hundred years.
Just a quick reminder re troops.
President Obama is the only two term U.S. President that had the U.S. at war for his entire presidency.
He was also awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.
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The left constantly and erroneously refers to Roe v.Wade as granting a woman the right to have an abortion. It is more than that. It is a flagrant violation of the Tenth Amendment.

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AMENDMENT [X.]
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people.

RoeV.Wade forces the states to allow abortion. Allowing abortion is a power "reserved to the states" Roe v. Wade is an over reach of federal power.

That being said if Roe were overturned tomorrow it wouldn't effect the number of abortions done nationwide. The states that would outlaw it have very few abortions done there while states that would allow it are the states where most abortions occur.
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The left constantly and erroneously refers to Roe v.Wade as granting a woman the right to have an abortion. It is more than that. It is a flagrant violation of the Tenth Amendment.

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AMENDMENT [X.]
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the
States respectively, or to the people.

RoeV.Wade forces the states to allow abortion. Allowing abortion is a power "reserved to the states" Roe v. Wade is an over reach of federal power.

That being said if Roe were overturned tomorrow it wouldn't effect the number of abortions done nationwide. The states that would outlaw it have very few abortions done there while states that would allow it are the states where most abortions occur.


The left has become intolerant of anyone and anything to which they disagree. Every election, every candidate every judge appointment must pass their litmus test on abortion and gay rights. Leaving in the dust the will of the American people and the contract in which the same people have placed their trust.

It is their first priority and why they are rapidly losing their base, minorities and even the millennial crowd. I do hope they keep it up until the bitter end.
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The left has become intolerant of anyone and anything to which they disagree. Every election, every candidate every judge appointment must pass their litmus test on abortion and gay rights. Leaving in the dust the will of the American people and the contract in which the same people have placed their trust.

It is their first priority and why they are rapidly losing their base, minorities and even the millennial crowd. I do hope they keep it up until the bitter end.
Their intolerance and hate is becoming more and more exposed with each passing day. Much of the media has covered for the left's intolerance and hate for many years but the truth is starting to see the light of day.
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"Wade is doomed"...I hope so but settled law can be difficult to overturn.
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You do realize that the Supreme Court doesn't suddenly change some past ruling by decree, don't you?
The way it works
, a new case has to come before them (after traveling through the lower courts first), then be heard and ruled upon. New cases are typically not the same old crud that already was ruled upon. It's a new twist, a new angle, a different circumstance. Typically takes years to happen.
As is typical of the leftist media, this is naught but more fear mongering to rile up the Democrat base.
yes.
my worry is more trump will try to bribe or threaten an appointee into ruling in his favor when trump is called to testify and refuses.
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