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Default Trumpís Justice Department Refuses To Defend Obamacare In Court

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In a dramatic move, the Trump administration declared its intention to refuse to defend the Affordable Care Act from a federal lawsuit by 20 GOP-controlled states who are arguing that Congressí repeal of the individual mandate renders parts of the rest of the health care law unconstitutional, according to a filing from the Department of Justice Thursday evening.
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In particular, the administration is arguing that the ACAís ban on discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and limits on charging older patients higher premiums are invalid, and they are requesting that the court put a halt to those provisions in January of 2019, when enforcement of the individual mandate is set to be terminated.
seen on twitter: My wife has stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. We are on COBRA due to her company shuttering. When COBRA runs out 8/19 her preexisting condition will prevent coverage. DOJ policy change may very well kill my wife. Vote them out
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seen on twitter: My wife has stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. We are on COBRA due to her company shuttering. When COBRA runs out 8/19 her preexisting condition will prevent coverage. DOJ policy change may very well kill my wife. Vote them out
I agree, vote out the intransigent Democrats who refuse to reform Obamacare.

The claim in the tweet is a rehash of the steelworker accusing Romney of murdering his wife. That turned out to be fake just like this one probably is too.

The steelworker tried peddling his phony story directly to the Obama campaign who referred him to a PAC run by an Obama staffer. Never mind that coordination between a campaign and PAC is illegal, laws are for little people under Obama.
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I agree, vote out the intransigent Democrats who refuse to reform Obamacare.

The claim in the tweet is a rehash of the steelworker accusing Romney of murdering his wife. That turned out to be fake just like this one probably is too.

The steelworker tried peddling his phony story directly to the Obama campaign who referred him to a PAC run by an Obama staffer. Never mind that coordination between a campaign and PAC is illegal, laws are for little people under Obama.
I have a disability. I am too young for (retirement) medicare. if I wasn't already declared disabled, this change would affect me very much.
the dems have said lets tweek sure
this is about not upholding the law
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I have a disability. I am too young for (retirement) medicare. if I wasn't already declared disabled, this change would affect me very much.
the dems have said lets tweek sure
this is about not upholding the law
You wonder why the Government can't have a GOOD subsidized healthcare program like many in the EU? We are subsidizing them.
Blame the EU. Like Trump says the U.S. is the cash cow of the world. Let them pay their fair share.
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seen on twitter: My wife has stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. We are on COBRA due to her company shuttering. When COBRA runs out 8/19 her preexisting condition will prevent coverage. DOJ policy change may very well kill my wife. Vote them out
If the COBRA runs out on 8/19, that means she/they had 18 months to obtain coverage elsewhere, like maybe the husband's job? The condition would not be considered 'pre existing' as long as they have had continuous coverage.

While I am in favor of covering pre existing conditions, I also believe that they should pay higher premiums for that coverage, as they have not been contributing to the insurance pool previously to off set the known higher expense that condition will cost.
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If the COBRA runs out on 8/19, that means she/they had 18 months to obtain coverage elsewhere, like maybe the husband's job? The condition would not be considered 'pre existing' as long as they have had continuous coverage.

While I am in favor of covering pre existing conditions, I also believe that they should pay higher premiums for that coverage, as they have not been contributing to the insurance pool previously to off set the known higher expense that condition will cost.
ever think that with one worker out of commission and the other possibly having to take days off to assist her, that leaves little for higher premiums?
looks like you are only interested in fairness to the insurance company, not the consumer.
I've been for single payer since before obama care. hopefully one day we will wake up and smell the coffee on that one.
btw I HAD insurance when I was operated on in 2007 and my insurance did not pay. Why? A preexisting condition. so slippery slope back to any excuse not to cover.
If they got rid of all health insurance companies tomorrow it would suit me fine.
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seen on twitter: My wife has stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. We are on COBRA due to her company shuttering. When COBRA runs out 8/19 her preexisting condition will prevent coverage. DOJ policy change may very well kill my wife. Vote them out
Do you understand what insurance is? Forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions is not insurance, it is welfare. Once again, I will post the analogy; it is like not having home insurance and then having your house burn down and then calling the insurance company to get insurance and expect them to pay for your house.
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ever think that with one worker out of commission and the other possibly having to take days off to assist her, that leaves little for higher premiums?
looks like you are only interested in fairness to the insurance company, not the consumer.
I've been for single payer since before obama care. hopefully one day we will wake up and smell the coffee on that one.
btw I HAD insurance when I was operated on in 2007 and my insurance did not pay. Why? A preexisting condition. so slippery slope back to any excuse not to cover.
If they got rid of all health insurance companies tomorrow it would suit me fine.
You are only looking at the impact on people with preexisting conditions ignoring the vast majority that must pay skyrocketing premiums to subsidize them. Thanks to the individual mandate everyone was subject to paying what amounts to a hidden tax.

You claim the insurance company wouldn't pay for your surgery due to a pre existing condition. This is typically a failure to disclose the condition prior to purchase. If that's not the case, sue.

After her cancer diagnosis Barack Obama helped his mother attempt to defraud the insurance company to obtain disability payments. No wonder Obamacare facilitates this type of scam with the preexisting conditions proviso.

If Democrats were truly interested in Obamacare reform they would join in with the effort to find alternatives to the preexisting conditions price controls such as allowing group insurance or creating high risk pools. But no, their interest is simply in partisan attacks.
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In regards to "pre-existing" conditions.

The way I believe it SHOULD work...

The insurance you had when the condition was discovered should cover the additional cost associated with the condition. That's why you pay for insurance. When the OPs Cobra runs out the wife's cost associated with her cancer should continue to be paid by the insurance the OP carried at the time the cancer was discovered.

If you didn't carry insurance when your "pre-existing" condition was discovered, that's risk you or your parents acting on your behalf accepted.
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ever think that with one worker out of commission and the other possibly having to take days off to assist her, that leaves little for higher premiums?
looks like you are only interested in fairness to the insurance company, not the consumer.
I've been for single payer since before obama care. hopefully one day we will wake up and smell the coffee on that one.
btw I HAD insurance when I was operated on in 2007 and my insurance did not pay. Why? A preexisting condition. so slippery slope back to any excuse not to cover.
If they got rid of all health insurance companies tomorrow it would suit me fine.
I am talking fairness to the consumer---- do you think the insurance company will carry the burden of high medical payouts on a pre-existing condition? The CONSUMER pays those costs. Part of the reason the PPACA was unsustainable in it's existing form - there was no way the premiums could stay low, as more people with pre existing conditions jumped in while everyone else bore the weight of the costs.

Your personal situation does not define what an insurance company pays, but that can be a whole 'nuther thread.

I would love to see insurance requirements go away, for multiple reasons, but likely NOT for the same reason you do. Yours is for selfish reasons, mine is for common sense and humanitarian reasons.
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