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I am talking fairness to the consumer---- do you think the insurance company will carry the burden of high medical payouts on a pre-existing condition? The CONSUMER pays those costs. Part of the reason the PPACA was unsustainable in it's existing form - there was no way the premiums could stay low, as more people with pre existing conditions jumped in while everyone else bore the weight of the costs.

Your personal situation does not define what an insurance company pays, but that can be a whole 'nuther thread.

I would love to see insurance requirements go away, for multiple reasons, but likely NOT for the same reason you do. Yours is for selfish reasons, mine is for common sense and humanitarian reasons.
The Obama administration projected that the lowest level coverage, bronze, would be the most popular. They were surprised that the gold plan with lower deductibles and caps on out of pocket expenses turned out to be most popular. It makes sense for someone facing serious medical expense to buy a plan that will cost them the least as long as preexisting conditions are covered. Of course the Obama administration geniuses could never have seen this coming.
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Do you understand what insurance is? Forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions is not insurance, it is welfare. Once again, I will post the analogy; it is like not having home insurance and then having your house burn down and then calling the insurance company to get insurance and expect them to pay for your house.
A human being is not a house. There is more to think about when forming public policy that one lobbyist groups gets out of it.
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You are only looking at the impact on people with preexisting conditions ignoring the vast majority that must pay skyrocketing premiums to subsidize them. Thanks to the individual mandate everyone was subject to paying what amounts to a hidden tax.
I doubt your statement
You claim the insurance company wouldn't pay for your surgery due to a pre existing condition. This is typically a failure to disclose the condition prior to purchase. If that's not the case, sue.
they didnt ask and I didnt know. too late to sue. if I hadnt been about to die the facility wouldnt have done the surgery. hospitals are forced by law into life saving measures for uninsured. something else your gang fought tooth and nail against on the grounds of economic pain for corporations
After her cancer diagnosis Barack Obama helped his mother attempt to defraud the insurance company to obtain disability payments. No wonder Obamacare facilitates this type of scam with the preexisting conditions proviso.
you're a liar. you really hate the guy dont you Is it because he's bbb black
If Democrats were truly interested in Obamacare reform they would join in with the effort to find alternatives to the preexisting conditions price controls such as allowing group insurance or creating high risk pools. But no, their interest is simply in partisan attacks.
if the dnc and ms nancy and ms feinstein were truly not dripping with lobby money like the leadership of the R party, they would campaign on single payer
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A human being is not a house. There is more to think about when forming public policy that one lobbyist groups gets out of it.
You are correct. However, we are discussing Insurance, not houses. Insurance is a hedge against risk. It is a company betting that something bad won't happen while engaging in a contract with the policy holder to ensure that bet. It doesn't matter if the object of the insurance is a house, a car or a person, it is still a hedge against risk.

Now, if you want something different, so be it. However, to call giving insurance policies to people with preexisting conditions "Insurance", is inaccurate.
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You are only looking at the impact on people with preexisting conditions ignoring the vast majority that must pay skyrocketing premiums to subsidize them. Thanks to the individual mandate everyone was subject to paying what amounts to a hidden tax.
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I agree with you. It is only those that are paying their insurance that are paying this hidden tax. Those receiving the subsidies are the ones not paying this hidden tax. My guess is that you are on the receiving end of this one.
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if the dnc and ms nancy and ms feinstein were truly not dripping with lobby money like the leadership of the R party, they would campaign on single payer
Again all you offer is denials and insults along with lazy formatting. In fact Obama complained about the evil insurance company denying his mother's coverage as she suffered cancer. He claimed Obamacare would eliminate the burdensome paperwork and denials of service. Neither is true. The fact is mom was trying to scam the insurance company for disability payments resulting from a preexisting condition. It is a scam Obamacare legalized by banning underwriting for health insurance.

While she was working as a hospital administrator in Chicago Michelle Obama and fellow employee Valerie Jarrett cooked up a scheme to evaluate incoming patients based on their revenue potential. If their treatment was unlikely to meet revenue targets, the patient was transferred to another hospital. Treatment was secondary to the bottom line. Just like the ban on insurance companies pricing health insurance based on preexisting conditions Obama's admission policy transferred the costs to someone else while Obama and the Democrats preened and strutted about their moral superiority.

Single payer is not an all you can eat buffet of health care. It is healthcare rationed by politicians and bureaucrats based on budget and political considerations. During the run up to voting on the Obamacare bill President Obama, without a scrap of medical training, announced that sometimes you are "better off" for foregoing the operation for pain medication. Thank goodness you received treatment but single payer would make it even easier than under Obamacare to deny you treatment. As we have seen recently with the British healthcare system single payer empowers death panel bureaucrats not only to deny treatment but to forcibly prevent patients from receiving outside help at no cost to their precious budgets.
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A human being is not a house. There is more to think about when forming public policy that one lobbyist groups gets out of it.
Salty, you're confusing two issues. The first is insurance, which is a protection bought against future problems. Regarding this issue, it matters not whether it is a house, a person, or your dog. Insurance is always purchased before you have a problem and functions by spreading risk among members of a risk pool. The pool can be low risk say boat insurance sold only to people who don't own boats, or high risk, which might include or be limited to people who are off shore racers and solo around the world sailors. Obviously the premiums must be higher for high risk pools.

The second is not protection but is paying for a problem after the problem happens or forcing low risk pools to admit high risk customers. That's what pre existing does. And it can break the system overnight.

That's not insurance, that's forced charity.
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