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Old 05-16-2018, 01:19 PM
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If one President can issue an EO to do something, it only stands to reason that the next President can issue an EO to undo that something. That is what happened in this case. If the judge in this case found that Trump cannot do what Obama did, what then is his reasoning because it is clearly not based on Constitutional grounds.
At least you're admitting you don't know his reasoning...
Others are just proclaiming strawman as fact.

Honestly? Threads like these get damned annoying for me because I document what's going on and some of the same ol' posters stick to their strawman claims. It does absolutely no good for me to explain it to people who have no interest in understanding.
You can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into...
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I know you are low in your lame bag of tricks when you throw out this "dishonest" claim crap.
What's painfully transparent is you lack the honesty to address my actual statements, so you repeat the one judge in your pocket while you ignore the other judges which disagree with him.



No. This is your lie.
I challenged people to document the actual statements of the judge's who ruled against Trump where they said that Trump doesn't have the authority to rescind an EO.

To date, nobody has done that.
Like I have said, you guys are thriving on strawman arguments and ignoring what the rulings are actually saying.



I hid nothing.
I quoted just as much out of that article as FS did when he presented it.

Again, you got nothing.
Yet another of your comments where you ignore the answer to your request preferring to launch petty attacks and hide behind dishonest edits. Again, the judge that magically decided the law prevents Trump from undoing Obama's EO was substituting his judgement for the law. Even another Federal judge recognized this. But hey in your pomposity you are beyond questioning the decision of a judge that disagrees with your Resistance mindset.

Naturally you will never explain the inherent double standard that allows Obama to create defacto amnesty for illegals but bars Trump from rescinding the EO. Obama set an expiration date for the EO, Trump changed it but the activist judge would not even allow that change.
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Yet another of your comments where you ignore the answer to your request preferring to launch petty attacks and hide behind dishonest edits. Again, the judge that magically decided the law prevents Trump from undoing Obama's EO was substituting his judgement for the law. Even another Federal judge recognized this. But hey in your pomposity you are beyond questioning the decision of a judge that disagrees with your Resistance mindset.

Naturally you will never explain the inherent double standard that allows Obama to create defacto amnesty for illegals but bars Trump from rescinding the EO. Obama set an expiration date for the EO, Trump changed it but the activist judge would not even allow that change.

Agreed.


Once again, I repeat, Judges are empowered to rule on application of THE LAWS. Laws apply to the people of the nation. Executive orders are instructions for executive branch operations, NOT LAWS. Generally, they do not have the power of LAW upon the people. And are not under the jurisdiction of the Courts. Except in cases of violation of constitutional rights.

We can argue and insult as much as we want but the laws of the land remain the same. And the overstep of this particular Judge, outside his authority, can only be validated or overturned by higher courts.

As of right now, those higher courts are clogged because the Congress hasn't ratified the appointments of the Trump Administration. If not a conspiracy to thwart the efforts of our President, at least a convenient coincidence for the Democrats to interfere with operations of the Executive branch. And by extension, success of the nation.
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Agreed.


Once again, I repeat, Judges are empowered to rule on application of THE LAWS. Laws apply to the people of the nation. Executive orders are instructions for executive branch operations, NOT LAWS. Generally, they do not have the power of LAW upon the people. And are not under the jurisdiction of the Courts. Except in cases of violation of constitutional rights.

We can argue and insult as much as we want but the laws of the land remain the same. And the overstep of this particular Judge, outside his authority, can only be validated or overturned by higher courts.

As of right now, those higher courts are clogged because the Congress hasn't ratified the appointments of the Trump Administration. If not a conspiracy to thwart the efforts of our President, at least a convenient coincidence for the Democrats to interfere with operations of the Executive branch. And by extension, success of the nation.
The President and Congress have the Constitutional authority to dissolve Federal courts below the level of the SCOTUS. President Jefferson exercised this power at the beginning of his administration and Congress followed suit by withholding funds for the SCOTUS.

I do not advocate shutting down the entire judicial branch and appointing new judges as Jefferson did. Selectively firing out of control partisans on the Federal bench like the hacks abusing their authority to second guess the President or deny one President the ability to exercise the same power of XO used by his predecessor is a strong corrective measure but one long overdue.

Still, as long as the Left is able to find willing Federal judges to undermine election results they do not like it will be difficult to tame the current judicial oligarchy. No doubt Federal judges would suddenly "interpret" the Constitution as granting the immunity from reform efforts.
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Yet another of your comments where you ignore the answer to your request preferring to launch petty attacks and hide behind dishonest edits.
Yet again, you throw out the b.s. claim of "dishonest edit" but you cannot point to any actual dishonesty other than absurd conclusions that I've never seen any other poster opine.


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Again, the judge that magically decided the law prevents Trump from undoing Obama's EO was substituting his judgement for the law. Even another Federal judge recognized this. But hey in your pomposity you are beyond questioning the decision of a judge that disagrees with your Resistance mindset.
No. Not "beyond questioning" at all.
But questioning somebody starts with an honest account of what is actually being said by that person and you guys have never actually started that.
Instead, a lot of b.s. claims about what the judge has said while nobody can actually quote the judge saying that.


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Naturally you will never explain the inherent double standard that allows Obama to create defacto amnesty for illegals but bars Trump from rescinding the EO. Obama set an expiration date for the EO, Trump changed it but the activist judge would not even allow that change.
Apples and Oranges. You might as well talk about what allows legislators to set a 65 MPH speed limit and then build a three story capitol building.
The two issues are not based on the same principles.
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The President and Congress have the Constitutional authority to dissolve Federal courts below the level of the SCOTUS. President Jefferson exercised this power at the beginning of his administration and Congress followed suit by withholding funds for the SCOTUS.

I do not advocate shutting down the entire judicial branch and appointing new judges as Jefferson did. Selectively firing out of control partisans on the Federal bench like the hacks abusing their authority to second guess the President or deny one President the ability to exercise the same power of XO used by his predecessor is a strong corrective measure but one long overdue.

Still, as long as the Left is able to find willing Federal judges to undermine election results they do not like it will be difficult to tame the current judicial oligarchy. No doubt Federal judges would suddenly "interpret" the Constitution as granting the immunity from reform efforts.
Sometimes, though, it's easier and better to fire the lot and start over. Let the judges be rehired on their merits or stay fired.
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