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Old 03-29-2018, 04:19 PM
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Gun control hopes were high for an Obama presidency and expected majorities in Congress.
It's funny how you stripped a "subject" from your sentence.
WHO supposedly had high hopes for Obama presidency regarding gun control?
And why do you claim that considering Obama's statements during the election run were clearly counter to that?
Obama, Sept. 9, 2008: I just want to be absolutely clear, alright. So I don’t want any misunderstanding. When ya’ll go home and you’re talking to your buddies, and they say, “Ah, he wants to take my gun away,” you’ve heard it here — I’m on television so everybody knows it — I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people’s lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won’t take your handgun away. … So, there are some common-sense gun safety laws that I believe in. But I am not going to take your guns away. So if you want to find an excuse not to vote for me, don’t use that one. Cause that just ain’t true.
Are you a mind-reader now?


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The only reason none of it was realized was Adrian Fenty ignored the pleas to just swallow the defeat and he arrogantly appealed Parker v DC to SCOTUS.
That case became DC v Heller and the decision was handed down 5 months before election day. Dems didn't know what it meant and paralysis was guaranteed come January 20th.
Dems still don't know what it means.
These invented narratives are absurd. And never ending.
No matter how many liberals / democrats say "I don't want to ban your guns", too many gun enthusiasts insist on being able to read minds to claim that is a lie.

And ignoring the fundamental flaws with your claims of other people's opinions, riddle me this...
If Dems supposedly were halted in their efforts by that ruling, shouldn't that make gun ownership safe today???
After all, that ruling still stands, correct?
But some gun enthusiasts are still dwelling on exaggerated paranoia and fear...
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If Dems supposedly were halted in their efforts by that ruling, shouldn't that make gun ownership safe today???
Like New York cockroaches they were halted.
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One liberal speaks.
Ergo, it demonstrates a claim of "liberals"...





How can anybody deal with this level of lack of logical thought.

ONE SENATOR makes a statement, but somehow this is evidence regarding what "Democrats and liberals as a whole do not want"


At the start of Obama's presidency, we had a majority of Dems in the House and Senate in addition to the Oval Office. Would have been an opportune time to implement gun control, if that were really something gnawing at most dem / liberal minds.
But we didn't, did we...

The claims that Dems / Liberals are lying about their true intentions is an amusing argument (from some) when others prove that as a lie in quoting specific, individual Dems / Liberals who are saying something they want to hear.
Why listen to a list of Dems / Liberals who oppose gun banning when you can latch onto individual Dem / liberal persons who are saying something that feeds your fear...
With each response to gun grabbers claiming there is no worry they want to take our guns I wonder at their lack of level of logical thought. The quote from a Senator was cited to rebut the unsupported claim Progressives don't want to take our firearms. Let's see on one side we have the promise of an individual Progressive on the other we have the assertion of a US Senator with a long history of fomenting anti gun rights legislation. She is not some fringe extremist acting as a lone wolf. It defies logic to simply dismiss her unequivocal statement of her goal.

Obama promised comprehensive immigration reform including amnesty in the first year of his Presidency. Using the Democrats didn't confiscate guns when they had the majority because the didn't want to pathetic rationale then they must not have wanted to reform our so-called broken immigration system. He made a similar promise to renegotiate NAFTA, never did. Yet we are supposed to trust his promise he isn't interested in taking our guns.
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Here's something else to consider about the repeal the 2nd Amendment.
If it were, why would the feds have the authority to take people's weapons? Property confiscation is still unconstutional and subject to the "due process of law' . And the 9th amendment assumes that if direct authority isn't given to the Feds then the people retain the rights anyway.

I know very well that many folks don't like that POV and the feds have ignored it. But that don't mean it ain't true.
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Like New York cockroaches they were halted.
"Halted" implies something actually started.
No such thing was even hinted at that time...


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With each response to gun grabbers claiming there is no worry they want to take our guns I wonder at their lack of level of logical thought. The quote from a Senator was cited to rebut the unsupported claim Progressives don't want to take our firearms. Let's see on one side we have the promise of an individual Progressive on the other we have the assertion of a US Senator with a long history of fomenting anti gun rights legislation. She is not some fringe extremist acting as a lone wolf. It defies logic to simply dismiss her unequivocal statement of her goal.
No.
By analogy, I think of those rare idiots who proclaim gays should be jailed or put to death for having gay sex.

Can I provide examples of that?
Are they abundant enough to actually enact that policy today?

Similarly for repealing the 2nd amendment.


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Obama promised comprehensive immigration reform including amnesty in the first year of his Presidency. Using the Democrats didn't confiscate guns when they had the majority because the didn't want to pathetic rationale then they must not have wanted to reform our so-called broken immigration system. He made a similar promise to renegotiate NAFTA, never did. Yet we are supposed to trust his promise he isn't interested in taking our guns.

It's not just that "Democrats didn't confiscate guns"
THEY DID NOT EVEN TRY.
They had the House, Senate and the White House. That would have been the optimal time to enact any anti-gun legislation, if that had been a real goal.
THEY DID NOT EVEN TRY.
That's the point.
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Wrong, Senator Feinstein stated explicitly she would have had the government confiscate all guns if she could.
Ted Cruz misfires on Feinstein gun claim | PolitiFact California

Nope, she was referring to the firearms banned in her assault weapons bill back in 1995. Not "all guns". Never has Feinstein said she want to grab all of the guns.

Also in 2012 she re-iterated her supports for firearms for hunting and self-defense.

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Feinstein has outlined her support for legal gun ownership in many ways, including during the effort to renew the assault weapons ban.

"Let me be clear: If an individual wants to purchase a weapon for hunting or self-defense, I support that right," Feinstein wrote in an op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle in July 2012.
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People who advocate repeal of the second amendment have no understanding of it's purpose. And little respect for freedom. The denial of this basic human right, the ability, the capacity, the technology, to protect oneself from an overbearing government is a requirement for freedom. Proven time and time again.

Ask the native Americans who were denied the right to purchase and own firearms by OUR VERY OWN GOVERNMENT. They were allowed the weapons of their time and technology, spears, bows and arrows, against weapons we would consider obsolete today. But many say the Second Amendment is about the retention of those old black powder weapons, not weapons equal to that of the military.

they are sorely mistaken.

The native Americans lost everything. Their land, their culture, their lives. Our own United States Government took them. AFTER THEY TOOK THEIR GUNS. they did so by "regulating"who could and who could not buy them.

The second amendment is not about muskets, or hunting, or shooting for sport. It is not about one's defense from assault by other citizens. No, it is about our right to meet the government on it's own terms when it no longer operates on our terms.

PERIOD.
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"Halted" implies something actually started.
No such thing was even hinted at that time...


I am referring to any gun grabber, gun controller, or anti-second amendment ass hole. They started their crap years ago, and they haven't stopped. You don't like them being compared to cockroaches, that is your prerogative.
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Ted Cruz misfires on Feinstein gun claim | PolitiFact California

Nope, she was referring to the firearms banned in her assault weapons bill back in 1995. Not "all guns". Never has Feinstein said she want to grab all of the guns.

Also in 2012 she re-iterated her supports for firearms for hunting and self-defense.
Polifact spin trying to cover for Feinstein letting the agenda of gun confiscation out. Polifact appropriates all reasonable interpretations of Feinsteins remarks to itself, trust a notoriously bias assessment just like we are supposed to trust the ever escalating demands for more gun control will not lead to confiscation. Years later.

Feinstein back tracked on her position out of political expediency. But hey, trust in the gun grabber to preserve your 2A rights.
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"Halted" implies something actually started.
No such thing was even hinted at that time...



No.
By analogy, I think of those rare idiots who proclaim gays should be jailed or put to death for having gay sex.

Can I provide examples of that?
Are they abundant enough to actually enact that policy today?

Similarly for repealing the 2nd amendment.




It's not just that "Democrats didn't confiscate guns"
THEY DID NOT EVEN TRY.
They had the House, Senate and the White House. That would have been the optimal time to enact any anti-gun legislation, if that had been a real goal.
THEY DID NOT EVEN TRY.
That's the point.
Trying to equate a US Senator stating her desire to confiscate all guns with someone proposing the death sentence for homosexuals is nonsense. Feinstein repeatedly won election from the most populous state in the union, has long sponsored gun grabber legislation that was seriously considered by the Senate but she represents no more of a constituency than fringe of a fringe nut jobs espousing death for homosexuals.

The use of bold and increased front size doesn't mask the falsehood of the claim that Democrats didn't want to confiscate guns. Democrats didn't even try to reform immigration. Obama made multiple promises to pivot to jobs after addressing another issue like Obamacare. Obama and the Democrats went all in to get Obamacare. That provides no evidence Obama didn't want to confiscate guns.
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