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Old 03-28-2018, 04:26 PM
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Such opinions by the aged elite are the very reason we have the 2nd amendment. It is not a right granted to the population by smart, educated men but based on the application of natural laws proffered by our Founders.

Former SCOTUS justice John Paul Stevens is old and soon passing from this world. He is more than welcome to indulge in his fantasies. And I for one feel equally inclined to ignore them.
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Democrats and liberals as a whole do not want the 2nd Amendment repealed. That is nothing but fearmongering on the right.
For a party that claims not to want to repeal the 2nd Amendment, they sure do propose a lot of restrictions that would if passed, essentially make it not worth the parchment it is printed upon.

I would say that your everyday, man on the street Democratic voter, they may not see the 2nd Amendment as something they wish to repeal. However, the party leadership seems to go out of their way to make people believe otherwise.
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Retired Justice is breath of fresh air...His honesty in how much hatred he has of the Constitution shines a bright light on Liberals' TRUE feelings while the rest of them cower behind wordplay and obfuscation...

John Paul Stevens: Repeal the Second Amendment

There will be a few Dems who cheer this, but I suppose most will cringe and think "Stop telling the public our real goals! You'll get us killed in elections!!!!"...
Former Justice Stevens' rationale for repealing the Second Amendment--that it is a "relic" of the past, based upon our retaining a standing militia--flies in the face of the Heller decision (i.e. District of Columbia v. Heller) in 2008, in which the High Court ruled that the Second Amendment is not about just a standing militia--even though one is mentioned there--but about individuals.
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Democrats and liberals as a whole do not want the 2nd Amendment repealed. That is nothing but fearmongering on the right.
Are you sure you understand the 2nd amendment? If so please elaborate on where it states acceptance of any restrictions which may infringe on the citizen's right to bear arms.
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Altering the Constitution by amendment is deliberately a difficult and lengthy process. 2/3 of Congress must propose and 2/3 of the states must ratify. Each state gets 1 vote. So 34 states must agree. 16 voted Democrat in 16. The math is simple.

That a former SC justice can make such a statement says far more about the former justice than the process.
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Former Justice Stevens' rationale for repealing the Second Amendment--that it is a "relic" of the past, based upon our retaining a standing militia--flies in the face of the Heller decision (i.e. District of Columbia v. Heller) in 2008, in which the High Court ruled that the Second Amendment is not about just a standing militia--even though one is mentioned there--but about individuals.
Well yeah, that's the old senile bastard's point. He wrote a dissent to the majority opinion so one would expect his position to be at odds with the overall holding of the majority. At least in his dissent he recognized there was some concept of an individual right being protected by the 2nd Amendment.

A significant problem for Stevens regarding his recent NYT commentary is he reverses that stance, contradicting his 2018 opinion with his 2008 one to the point of complete irreconcilability.
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Well yeah, that's the old senile bastard's point. He wrote a dissent to the majority opinion so one would expect his position to be at odds with the overall holding of the majority. At least in his dissent he recognized there was some concept of an individual right being protected by the 2nd Amendment.

A significant problem for Stevens regarding his recent NYT commentary is he reverses that stance, contradicting his 2018 opinion with his 2008 one to the point of complete irreconcilability.


Like I said, that is the privilege of irresponsible, old, moldy men.
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Democrats and liberals as a whole do not want the 2nd Amendment repealed. That is nothing but fearmongering on the right.
Wrong, Senator Feinstein stated explicitly she would have had the government confiscate all guns if she could. Contemporary gun grabbers point to Australia as an example we ought to follow, the first thing they did was a mandatory buy back, confiscation.

Hyper restrictive regulations like those in Chicago and DC aren't complete confiscation, the rich and well connected can still legally have guns or their bodyguards can. So glad to see Democrats defend the 1% privileges.
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Retired Justice is breath of fresh air...His honesty in how much hatred he has of the Constitution shines a bright light on Liberals' TRUE feelings while the rest of them cower behind wordplay and obfuscation...
One liberal speaks.
Ergo, it demonstrates a claim of "liberals"...



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Wrong, Senator Feinstein stated explicitly she would have had the government confiscate all guns if she could. Contemporary gun grabbers point to Australia as an example we ought to follow, the first thing they did was a mandatory buy back, confiscation.
Hyper restrictive regulations like those in Chicago and DC aren't complete confiscation, the rich and well connected can still legally have guns or their bodyguards can. So glad to see Democrats defend the 1% privileges.
How can anybody deal with this level of lack of logical thought.

ONE SENATOR makes a statement, but somehow this is evidence regarding what "Democrats and liberals as a whole do not want"


At the start of Obama's presidency, we had a majority of Dems in the House and Senate in addition to the Oval Office. Would have been an opportune time to implement gun control, if that were really something gnawing at most dem / liberal minds.
But we didn't, did we...

The claims that Dems / Liberals are lying about their true intentions is an amusing argument (from some) when others prove that as a lie in quoting specific, individual Dems / Liberals who are saying something they want to hear.
Why listen to a list of Dems / Liberals who oppose gun banning when you can latch onto individual Dem / liberal persons who are saying something that feeds your fear...
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At the start of Obama's presidency, we had a majority of Dems in the House and Senate in addition to the Oval Office. Would have been an opportune time to implement gun control, if that were really something gnawing at most dem / liberal minds.
But we didn't, did we...
Gun control hopes were high for an Obama presidency and expected majorities in Congress. The only reason none of it was realized was Adrian Fenty ignored the pleas to just swallow the defeat and he arrogantly appealed Parker v DC to SCOTUS.

That case became DC v Heller and the decision was handed down 5 months before election day. Dems didn't know what it meant and paralysis was guaranteed come January 20th.

Dems still don't know what it means.
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