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Old 11-15-2017, 11:21 PM
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Does a California law violate the Constitution by requiring anti-abortion pregnancy centers to inform clients about free or low-cost abortion and contraception services? That's the question the Supreme Court is taking on, in a new case it accepted on Monday.

California's Reproductive FACT Act became law in October of 2015. It requires licensed and covered facilities to give all their clients notice that the state "has public programs that provide immediate free or low-cost access to comprehensive family planning services, prenatal care, and abortion, for eligible women."

The law also gives the attorney general and other prosecutors the power "to bring an action to impose a specified civil penalty against covered facilities that fail to comply with these requirements."

Anti-abortion group NIFLA — the National Institute of Family and Life Advocates — filed a legal challenge to the Reproductive FACT Act, saying that it forces clinics to promote or advertise abortion services.

In taking the case on, the Supreme Court justices limited their participation to one question: "Whether the disclosures required by the California Reproductive FACT Act violate the protections set forth in the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment, applicable to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment."

The California law generated lawsuits almost immediately, with several pregnancy centers suing the state and asking for the law to be struck down, as NPR's Kelly McEvers reported in the fall of 2015.

One of those suing was the Pacific Justice Institute, whose Brad Dacus spoke to Kelly about his reasoning.

"It's like telling the Alcoholics Anonymous group that they have to have a large sign saying where people can get alcohol and booze for free," Dacus said. "It's like telling a Jewish synagogue that they can have their service, and do their thing, but they have to have a large sign where people can go to pray to receive Jesus."
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Supreme Court Takes On Case About Free Speech And Abortion
the trouble with politics ruling this medical procedure, among many other reasons, is leftists do not want adoption presented as an option either.
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I'm confident that SCOTUS will find this law to be the blatant 1st amendment violation that it is.
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the trouble with politics ruling this medical procedure, among many other reasons, is leftists do not want adoption presented as an option either.
Only reasoning I could see for adoption not being presented it is an 'after the fact' decision.

There is only a limited time frame (legally) in which an abortion might be performed., other than a life threatening situation to the mother.

Once deciding to carry to term, they have the next two trimesters, and more, to decide if they will keep the child or give it up for adoption.
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Only reasoning I could see for adoption not being presented it is an 'after the fact' decision.

There is only a limited time frame (legally) in which an abortion might be performed., other than a life threatening situation to the mother.

Once deciding to carry to term, they have the next two trimesters, and more, to decide if they will keep the child or give it up for adoption.
I don't think abortion clinics have always adhered to that time frame. just an opinion. but when going to a place that does abortions, all options should be presented imho.
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Only reasoning I could see for adoption not being presented it is an 'after the fact' decision.

There is only a limited time frame (legally) in which an abortion might be performed., other than a life threatening situation to the mother.

Once deciding to carry to term, they have the next two trimesters, and more, to decide if they will keep the child or give it up for adoption.
You can get an abortion up to 22 weeks in LA.

My cousin had a son premature at 20 weeks. He's 11 now. Wears glasses but other than that he's fine, no medical issues. I suppose she could have killed him 2 seconds before he was born if she had wanted to. Thankfully she didn't want to.

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Argument analysis: Justices skeptical of abortion speech law - SCOTUSblog

The SCOTUS heard arguments on Tuesday. Doesn't look good for FACT act.
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Argument analysis: Justices skeptical of abortion speech law - SCOTUSblog

The SCOTUS heard arguments on Tuesday. Doesn't look good for FACT act.
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the trouble with politics ruling this medical procedure, among many other reasons, is leftists do not want adoption presented as an option either.
Wait which leftists are against adoption?
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Wait which leftists are against adoption?
It is not a matter of opposing adoption, it is a matter of California discriminating against pregnancy crisis centers. From the linked article.

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Justice Samuel Alito, on the other hand, was concerned that the law unfairly singles out anti-abortion facilities like crisis pregnancy centers while providing exemptions for other kinds of health-care providers. “If you have a law that’s neutral on its face” but then contains “a lot of crazy exemptions,” he asked, “isn’t it possible to infer intentional discrimination?” After Joshua Klein, the deputy state solicitor general who argued for California, agreed that it was, Alito peppered him with questions about various exemptions in the California law and concluded that “when you put all this together, you get a very suspicious pattern.”

Perhaps more crucially for the state, Kagan seemed to share some of Alito’s concern that, as she put it, California might have “gerrymandered” the law – that is, drawn it to target crisis pregnancy centers. If so, she declared, “that’s a serious issue.”
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