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Are jeans anti Christian now?
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Are jeans anti Christian now?
She's Pentecostal. Dress codes vary according to the sect and the minister.

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What if she applies for a job at Hooters?
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What if she applies for a job at Hooters?
Pentecostals are allowed hooters. As long as they hang below the kneel Or is that dresses? I forget.
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What if she applies for a job at Hooters?
If a person applies for job knowing what the requirements are of the job, then asks for an exception that they didn't make clear at the time of applying/hiring, then IMO the problem lies with the applicant.

Employers aren't mind readers.
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"reasonable accommodations" for religion.
At face value, this seems a reasonable accommodation. But maybe the company would want to discuss this further in front of a judge to understand the context.

The whole "at interview" situation is frought with pitfalls. Interviewers aren't supposed to talk about religion at the interview in the first place. It's actually illegal.
The interviewee may not know of the dress code.

There is precedent on this issue which would fall on the side of the waitress ...
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In 2008, Elauf, then 17 years old, applied for a job at an Abercrombie & Fitch store in Tulsa, Oklahoma. During her interview with the company, she was wearing a head scarf, but did not say why.[1] The woman interviewing her, Heather Cooke, was initially impressed with Elauf, but also concerned about her head scarf.[3] Cooke had told the manager of the store that she thought Elauf was wearing the scarf for religious reasons, but the manager responded that employees were not allowed to wear hats at work, and so declined to hire her.[4]

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On June 1, 2015, the Supreme Court ruled 8–1 in favor of Elauf. In an opinion by Associate Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court held that Elauf did not have to explicitly request an accommodation to obtain protection from Title VII, which prohibits religious discrimination in hiring.[1]
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The whole "at interview" situation is frought with pitfalls. Interviewers aren't supposed to talk about religion at the interview in the first place. It's actually illegal.
The interviewee may not know of the dress code.
Many people don't wear jeans for a multitude of reasons, and mostly non-religious...

Pointing out the dress code beforehand would seem reasonable to me...For any job, really...
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"reasonable accommodations" for religion.
At face value, this seems a reasonable accommodation. But maybe the company would want to discuss this further in front of a judge to understand the context.

The whole "at interview" situation is frought with pitfalls. Interviewers aren't supposed to talk about religion at the interview in the first place. It's actually illegal.
The interviewee may not know of the dress code.

There is precedent on this issue which would fall on the side of the waitress ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_...6_Fitch_Stores
In 2008, Elauf, then 17 years old, applied for a job at an Abercrombie & Fitch store in Tulsa, Oklahoma. During her interview with the company, she was wearing a head scarf, but did not say why.[1] The woman interviewing her, Heather Cooke, was initially impressed with Elauf, but also concerned about her head scarf.[3] Cooke had told the manager of the store that she thought Elauf was wearing the scarf for religious reasons, but the manager responded that employees were not allowed to wear hats at work, and so declined to hire her.[4]

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On June 1, 2015, the Supreme Court ruled 8–1 in favor of Elauf. In an opinion by Associate Justice Antonin Scalia, the Court held that Elauf did not have to explicitly request an accommodation to obtain protection from Title VII, which prohibits religious discrimination in hiring.[1]
The interviewers may not be able to ask the question, but providing the dress code would be a start. The interviewee can bring up any subject they like, and IMO, if for any reason they have a 'restriction', it should be made clear once the job offer is made. Then the employer can make 'reasonable accommodation', if it is indeed reasonable.
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If a person's religion prevents him or her from abiding with a company's dress code, they should seek employment elsewhere. Enforcing a dress code isn't violating anyone's rights to practice a religion, since a person has the right to seek employment where their preferred mode of dress wouldn't be an issue. I agree that the employer should make the dress code clear during the interview, and then the employee can either agree to accept the dress code or look elsewhere for a job.
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