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Go follow Jimbo around. He is looking for a troll buddy.
Not looking for anything, Mikeyy. I pretty much take care of myself.
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Why do you and Jimbo think you need to translate what I say? I was clear.
Face it mikeyy, you're nothing but a cry baby. You have done nothing for 8 years crying about how republicans didn't give into obama and his far left agenda. And now you're crying and are butt hurt because hildabeast didn't win the election. Maybe you should find a safe space some where.
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Yet another personal attack and name calling like an 8 year old. We are not talking about Me, Obama or Hillary. We are talking about you being happy that investigators from your country are mistreated by a foriegn power. That is what your fu*king thread is about moron.
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Face it mikeyy, you're nothing but a cry baby. You have done nothing for 8 years crying about how republicans didn't give into obama and his far left agenda. And now you're crying and are butt hurt because hildabeast didn't win the election. Maybe you should find a safe space some where.
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We are talking about you being happy that investigators from your country are mistreated by a foriegn power. .
If our agents are in a foreign country, they are subject to the rules and the Government of that foreign country...

You lefties seem to forget that. Assange is not going be subject to Obama or his minions..

Assange destroyed the Democratic party with the most powerful of forces..

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Your left wing fools.

Hillary F'ing Clinton is the one who made these guys.

She is the criminal they exposed. Do we really have to put her in Federal prison to prove that to you uniformed idiots?

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they exposed private conversations of heads of state. its not all about hc emails though I know you love to talk about that
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The media has failed to do their job for the last 20 years or so and people got tired of it. Assange filled the void left by the media, and is now considered a criminal.

What's funny though, is when he was exposing Bush you useful idiots on the left adored the guy, but now that he exposed your queen hildabeast, you label him a criminal.
I didn't even know he exposed Bush
Guess I don't read the correct alt right "news" for that information
I've read some of the wiki dump. pick and choose what you want to get from it. that's what paid bloggers do. And THEY are the ones who fill the void left by the demise of the fairness doctrine. alt right bloggers/liberal bloggers and Internet news sources. If someone's constantly trying to get me to hate a group on political or racial grounds I tend to drift elsewhere. But that's just me
Thousands feed into the bs. maybe millions
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Yet another personal attack and name calling like an 8 year old. We are not talking about Me, Obama or Hillary. We are talking about you being happy that investigators from your country are mistreated by a foriegn power. That is what your fu*king thread is about moron.
You get what you give mikeyy.

You sit there are accuse everyone of exactly what you do, but are to dense to see it. And, when called on it you start whining like a little spoiled brat.

No foreign country mistreated one American, Iceland understood what this administration does, they ignore the laws of not only this country but also feel free to do it in other countries as well. Iceland is under no obligation to kowtow to obama or any other person who sits in the White House., And yes that will go for Trump as well.

Now, why don't you find a nice little safe space to go to and whine there since you find this place the dregs.
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You get what you give mikeyy.

You sit there are accuse everyone of exactly what you do, but are to dense to see it. And, when called on it you start whining like a little spoiled brat.

No foreign country mistreated one American, Iceland understood what this administration does, they ignore the laws of not only this country but also feel free to do it in other countries as well. Iceland is under no obligation to kowtow to obama or any other person who sits in the White House., And yes that will go for Trump as well.

Now, why don't you find a nice little safe space to go to and whine there since you find this place the dregs.
Tell me about how this administration is known for this? And also tell me why only your right wing site is running this as a real story?
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Default Re: FBI sent planeload of agents to frame Assange in Iceland, got snubbed by minister

BTW the FBI had gone to Iceland wanting to interview Sigurdur Thordarson. Not Assange.

In 2010 he was arrested for stealing and leaking classified information about the bank structure in Iceland. He obtained the information from a lawyer that aided wealthy people in tax evasion, whose name was Gunnar Gunnarsson. Gunnar worked for an investment firm called Milestone ehf. Gunnar obtained Sigurdur's services to set up computer systems and delete data. After Sigurdur was arrested he was introduced to Julian Assange, the editor and founder of WikiLeaks. Sigurdur started his time there in early 2010, and participated in preparing many of WikiLeaks's biggest leaks. After a year in WikiLeaks service Sigurdur was suspected of embezzling funds from the WikiLeaks online store. WikiLeaks filed criminal charges against Sigurdur with the Metropolitan Police of Iceland, who investigated the case and later dropped it due to lack of evidence. Sigurdur later plead guilty to the embezzlement along with other economic crimes, in 2013. Sigurdur was ordered to pay the victims 15 million ISK (roughly $115,000)

So the FBI was on the right track. Not only that but your boy Ögmundur Jónasson also wants Snowden freed and to not be prosecuted.

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What do you think of Julian Assange?


I don’t know him personally, although I met him when he came to Iceland. But I look at what he stands for and that is where I side with him; his endeavours to open the secret world of the military and of power-politics.

How do you see the possibility of Iceland giving citizenship to Edward Snowden?

I have raised this issue in our Parliament on several occasions. By granting Snowden asylum we would be paying tribute to democracy, to openness and to all the whistleblowers of the world. But there has not been political consensus. Iceland is part of NATO and such a decision would be strongly objected to by the US. The Cold War lingers on. Or it might just be the power of the big and mighty.

How do you read the “hero vs. traitor” paradox around whistleblowers?


They are certainly not villains in my view. However, this is a reminder of how we tend to see the world in black and white. Either we are for whistleblowers and openness or we are against them.

But the real picture is more complex. We are not only for openness. We also find ourselves in a world where it is important to protect privacy. We don’t want the American secret services listening to our phones, or the Russian secret services, or the Chinese! We are therefore limiting our demands for transparency and openness to matters that are relevant to politics.

We need to have a very deep and serious discussion about how to balance the open world and the private world.

This should be open, but at the same time we want to prevent attempts to break into the private world of individuals. So what I’m really saying is that we need to have a very deep and serious discussion about how to balance the open world and the private world. Whistleblowers fight the real villains who refuse to respect our rights, including our right to privacy. So when judging them, we must always ask ourselves who they are, why they are acting, to what extent and to what end?

Iceland is about to become an international transparency safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers. Will the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) resolution be strong enough to protect future whistleblowers?


I think this is quite a long way off. It is an idea that has to be developed much further. The good thing about it is that we concentrate on freedoms and democracy, on whistleblowers and on protecting these people.

But then of course when it comes to protection of freedom on the Internet there are darker sides as well. We certainly don’t want to be a haven for paedophiles. I do not want to talk this idea down because I see its positive side, namely the protection of whistleblowers. But there are more dimensions to this and we should avoid being naïve on this issue.

The term “cyberwar” has become commonplace in recent times. In 2012, Forbes London bureau chief Parmy Olson claimed in her book We Are Anonymous that WikiLeaks members contacted hackers because they wanted help “infiltrating several Icelandic corporate and government sites”. What do you think of such actions as a politician in office at the time?

I have nothing positive to say about this, but then I must say that in this world of cyberwar I don’t take anything for granted. I think we should be critical towards WikiLeaks as we are towards others: they are not infallible. But we should remember that there have been attempts to smear them in order to undermine them. I want all the facts on the table before coming to any conclusions.

What about the resignation of your former prime minister over the Panama Papers leak?

This definitely falls into the category of good revelations. Panama Papers revelations involving Iceland proved politically important and led to a discussion that is still ongoing. They are likely to change the political world. We have covered this issue extensively in the Council of Europe, where I have been active.

This is about political morality, taxation and tax evasion, the welfare system, openness, transparency and accountability. We are not finished with this subject, in Iceland or on the world stage.
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BTW the FBI had gone to Iceland wanting to interview Sigurdur Thordarson. Not Assange.

In 2010 he was arrested for stealing and leaking classified information about the bank structure in Iceland. He obtained the information from a lawyer that aided wealthy people in tax evasion, whose name was Gunnar Gunnarsson. Gunnar worked for an investment firm called Milestone ehf. Gunnar obtained Sigurdur's services to set up computer systems and delete data. After Sigurdur was arrested he was introduced to Julian Assange, the editor and founder of WikiLeaks. Sigurdur started his time there in early 2010, and participated in preparing many of WikiLeaks's biggest leaks. After a year in WikiLeaks service Sigurdur was suspected of embezzling funds from the WikiLeaks online store. WikiLeaks filed criminal charges against Sigurdur with the Metropolitan Police of Iceland, who investigated the case and later dropped it due to lack of evidence. Sigurdur later plead guilty to the embezzlement along with other economic crimes, in 2013. Sigurdur was ordered to pay the victims 15 million ISK (roughly $115,000)

So the FBI was on the right track. Not only that but your boy Ögmundur Jónasson also wants Snowden freed and to not be prosecuted.

More from your hero

What do you think of Julian Assange?


I don’t know him personally, although I met him when he came to Iceland. But I look at what he stands for and that is where I side with him; his endeavours to open the secret world of the military and of power-politics.

How do you see the possibility of Iceland giving citizenship to Edward Snowden?

I have raised this issue in our Parliament on several occasions. By granting Snowden asylum we would be paying tribute to democracy, to openness and to all the whistleblowers of the world. But there has not been political consensus. Iceland is part of NATO and such a decision would be strongly objected to by the US. The Cold War lingers on. Or it might just be the power of the big and mighty.

How do you read the “hero vs. traitor” paradox around whistleblowers?


They are certainly not villains in my view. However, this is a reminder of how we tend to see the world in black and white. Either we are for whistleblowers and openness or we are against them.

But the real picture is more complex. We are not only for openness. We also find ourselves in a world where it is important to protect privacy. We don’t want the American secret services listening to our phones, or the Russian secret services, or the Chinese! We are therefore limiting our demands for transparency and openness to matters that are relevant to politics.

We need to have a very deep and serious discussion about how to balance the open world and the private world.

This should be open, but at the same time we want to prevent attempts to break into the private world of individuals. So what I’m really saying is that we need to have a very deep and serious discussion about how to balance the open world and the private world. Whistleblowers fight the real villains who refuse to respect our rights, including our right to privacy. So when judging them, we must always ask ourselves who they are, why they are acting, to what extent and to what end?

Iceland is about to become an international transparency safe haven for journalists and whistleblowers. Will the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative (IMMI) resolution be strong enough to protect future whistleblowers?


I think this is quite a long way off. It is an idea that has to be developed much further. The good thing about it is that we concentrate on freedoms and democracy, on whistleblowers and on protecting these people.

But then of course when it comes to protection of freedom on the Internet there are darker sides as well. We certainly don’t want to be a haven for paedophiles. I do not want to talk this idea down because I see its positive side, namely the protection of whistleblowers. But there are more dimensions to this and we should avoid being naïve on this issue.

The term “cyberwar” has become commonplace in recent times. In 2012, Forbes London bureau chief Parmy Olson claimed in her book We Are Anonymous that WikiLeaks members contacted hackers because they wanted help “infiltrating several Icelandic corporate and government sites”. What do you think of such actions as a politician in office at the time?

I have nothing positive to say about this, but then I must say that in this world of cyberwar I don’t take anything for granted. I think we should be critical towards WikiLeaks as we are towards others: they are not infallible. But we should remember that there have been attempts to smear them in order to undermine them. I want all the facts on the table before coming to any conclusions.

What about the resignation of your former prime minister over the Panama Papers leak?

This definitely falls into the category of good revelations. Panama Papers revelations involving Iceland proved politically important and led to a discussion that is still ongoing. They are likely to change the political world. We have covered this issue extensively in the Council of Europe, where I have been active.

This is about political morality, taxation and tax evasion, the welfare system, openness, transparency and accountability. We are not finished with this subject, in Iceland or on the world stage.
Mikey, you are so confrontational. If I didn't know better I would think you were an old fashioned **** slinger
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