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Old 03-21-2016, 10:45 PM
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Still haven't heard what the big bad crime was or who was hurt
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Still haven't heard what the big bad crime was or who was hurt
Probably because who got hurt is the subject of another thread.

But yes, people have responded. Can't help it if you don't like answer.
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Old 03-22-2016, 02:11 AM
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Is Powell today's diversion?

I care. Politicians should be held to the same standards as PFC's in the military.

Not vengeance, common sense.

Do you really want to go down the list of Presidential pardons?
powell is pertinent to the conversation unless you live in a small bubble
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powell is pertinent to the conversation unless you live in a small bubble
No one can be investigated or indicted unless everyone we can imagine who might be suspected of the same or similar crime is simultaneously investigated and prosecuted. All that is necessary to absolve Hillary is to accuse Colin Powell. Talk about living in a small bubble.

The Obama administration has known of Colin Powell's alleged crimes for years but never even launched an investigation yet it is somehow equivalent to Hillary's multiple felonies.
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Old 03-23-2016, 06:17 AM
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I found this interesting from your link.......

So if obama were to pardon Hillary, he would have to describe her crime in detail for which he was pardoning her. That in itself would make it almost impossible for Hillary to say she was innocent of crimes she committed while SoS. In that case I doubt obama would issue a pardon to her.
While I agree with the conclusion that President Obama wouldn't issue a pardon to Hillary Clinton my reasoning is quite different. He wouldn't issue a pardon because there's no indictment and there doesn't appear to be any grounds for an indictment. The two issued typically addressed are the use of private email and the inclusion of retroactively "classified" materials in her emails.

There was no law against using a private email account, and it had been done previously, so there's no grounds for a criminal indictment.

The retroactive classification of the contents of an email (e.g. the email was sent on Jan 1st but not reviewed and classified until May 1st) cannot be used as grounds for a criminal prosecution because it is effectively ex post facto criminal prosecution which is prohibited by the Constitution. We can also note that retroactively classified materials were also included in State Department emails during the previous adminstration and there were no prosecutions for it so the prosecution would also lack legal precedent.

That's been the inherent problem with "Republican" claims that Hillary Clinton violated the law and should be subjected to criminal prosecution. The claimed offenses don't meet the necessary standards for a criminal indictment.

That doesn't have anything to do with claims that Hillary Clinton wasn't a very good Sect. of State (or Senator) which, in some cases, are quite accurate and it sure as hell doesn't change the fact that she's a slime-bag politician that can't be trusted. Those are political issues and not criminal issues.
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