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Following on yesterdayís 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that Hobby Lobby can continue its lawsuit against the Obama administrationís contraception mandate on religious grounds, the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma ruled today that the federal government must halt all enforcement of the mandate (and related financial penalties) against the Christian-based company.

Hobby Lobby and sister company Mardel are suing the Department of Health and Human Services and Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, arguing that to force the company to pay for health insurance that must offer abortion-inducing drugs, as well as sterilization and contraception, is a violation of its religious liberty.

In his order issued on Friday, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton said the ďcourt concludes plaintiffs [Hobby Lobby] have made a sufficient showing to warrant the issuance of a temporary restraining order in the circumstances existing here."

"Accordingly, the defendants [Sebelius and HHS], their agents, officers, and employees are temporarily ENJOINED and RESTRAINED from any effort to apply or enforce, as to plaintiffs, the substantive requirements imposedĒ by the mandate," said the judge's order.

In a press release, the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which represents Hobby Lobby, said, ďToday, for the first time, a federal court has ordered the government not to enforce the HHS abortion-drug mandate against Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. The ruling comes just one day after a dramatic 168-page opinion from the en banc 10th Circuit recognizing that business owners have religious liberty rights. This was the first definitive federal appellate ruling against the HHS mandate.Ē

ďHobby Lobby and the Green family faced the terrible choice of violating their faith or paying massive fines starting this Monday morning,Ē said Kyle Duncan, general counsel with the Becket Fund. ďWe are delighted that both the 10th Circuit and the district court have spared them from this unjust burden on their religious freedom.Ē

- See more at: Court: Gov?t Must Halt Enforcement of Sterilization-Contraception-Abortifacient Mandate Against Hobby Lobby | CNS News

I have argued this for a long time and now feel vindicated that a U.S. appeals court said the same thing. People who own businesses do not give up their religious liberties, period.

Bravo for the court
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I have argued this for a long time and now feel vindicated that a U.S. appeals court said the same thing. People who own businesses do not give up their religious liberties, period.

Bravo for the court
well they should do one or the other or not offer health insurance at all. pay for abortion or pay for birth control. to not do either is immoral.
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I think I am missing something. Hobby Lobby, the Catholic Church and others dont want to allow insurance policies to fund certain procedures because they dont believe in them. However, if the company/Catholic Church pays the employee their wages, and the employee pays for the procedure out of pocket, aint that pretty damn close to the same thing?
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I think I am missing something. Hobby Lobby, the Catholic Church and others dont want to allow insurance policies to fund certain procedures because they dont believe in them. However, if the company/Catholic Church pays the employee their wages, and the employee pays for the procedure out of pocket, aint that pretty damn close to the same thing?
Only if you think a company has the right to direct how an employee spends their own money.
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so why would they have the right to tell an insurance company what benefits they were allowed to pay for? Insurance benefits are just like wages, what is the difference?
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so why would they have the right to tell an insurance company what benefits they were allowed to pay for? Insurance benefits are just like wages, what is the difference?
Hobby Lobby isn't telling anyone anything, it is the government telling Hobby Lobby what they must pay for.
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Only if you think a company has the right to direct how an employee spends their own money.
If you think the company has a right to tell employees how to spend their own money then you are in favor of the hobby lobby ruling. They don't pay the insurance or the premiums or the out of pocket co pay. The employee does.
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If you think the company has a right to tell employees how to spend their own money then you are in favor of the hobby lobby ruling. They don't pay the insurance or the premiums or the out of pocket co pay. The employee does.
do you even know what you're talking about salty? you're as bad as surly, you two have no understanding of what is going on.
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Wait, I really am confused about this. What is the difference? Looking at this from HL or the Catholic Church's POV. If I hired an employee and paid for his insurance and wages why am I more ethically responsible if the employee decided to use his insurance to obtain contraceptives or if he paid for it out of his regular pay. Both are benefits to the employee, which are or should be out of my control.
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Actually you have a very superficial understanding of most of what you talk about. Things are easy to understand if you dont think too deeply about them. I guess it might be easier that way. Keep it simple...
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