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Old 06-17-2013, 12:41 PM
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Supreme Court: Arizona law requiring citizenship proof for voters is illegal

WASHINGTON The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states cannot require would-be voters to prove they are U.S. citizens before using a federal registration system designed to make signing up easier.

The justices voted 7-2 to throw out Arizona's voter-approved requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "Motor Voter" voter registration law.

Federal law "precludes Arizona from requiring a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself," Justice Antonia Scalia wrote for the court's majority.

The court was considering the legality of Arizona's requirement that prospective voters document their U.S. citizenship in order to use a registration form produced under the federal "motor voter" registration law. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said that the National Voter Registration Act of 1993, which doesn't require such documentation, trumps Arizona's Proposition 200 passed in 2004.

Arizona appealed that decision to the Supreme Court.

The case focuses on Arizona, which has tangled frequently with the federal government over immigration issues involving the Mexican border. But it has broader implications because four other states -- Alabama, Georgia, Kansas and Tennessee -- have similar requirements, and 12 other states are contemplating such legislation.

Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito dissented from the court's ruling.

The Constitution "authorizes states to determine the qualifications of voters in federal elections, which necessarily includes the related power to determine whether those qualifications are satisfied," Thomas said in his dissent.

Opponents of Arizona's law see it as an attack on vulnerable voter groups such as minorities, immigrants and the elderly. They say they've counted more than 31,000 potentially legal voters in Arizona who easily could have registered before Proposition 200 but were blocked initially by the law in the 20 months after it passed in 2004. They say about 20 percent of those thwarted were Latino.

But Arizona officials say they should be able to pass laws to stop illegal immigrants and other noncitizens from getting on their voting rolls. The Arizona voting law was part of a package that also denied some government benefits to illegal immigrants and required Arizonans to show identification before voting.

The federal "motor voter" law, enacted in 1993 to expand voter registration, requires states to offer voter registration when a resident applies for a driver's license or certain benefits. Another provision of that law -- the one at issue before the court -- requires states to allow would-be voters to fill out mail-in registration cards and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but it doesn't require them to show proof. Under Proposition 200, Arizona officials require an Arizona driver's license issued after 1996, a U.S. birth certificate, a passport or other similar document, or the state will reject the federal registration application form.

Arizona can ask the federal government to include the extra documents as a state-specific requirement, Scalia said, and take any decision made by the government on that request back to court.

Supreme Court: Arizona law requiring citizenship proof for voters is illegal | Fox News

We need all sorts of verification and ID's in today's world just to do business and get around......

And we chose not to have the same standards to vote in elections.....?


It's just crazy......
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Soo... only citizens can vote, but it's unconstitutional to make someone prove they are actually a citizen. So it's unconstitutional to enforce a constitutional law?
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We need all sorts of verification and ID's in today's world just to do business and get around......

And we chose not to have the same standards to vote in elections.....?


It's just crazy......
This is not as bad as it sounds...

All the SC did was say "States can't modify a Federal voting form."...

Two points...

1) I don't believe a Federal voting form to be consistent with the Constitution in the first place since it is will known that STATES decide on how they implement the voting process...

2) This is a call to reform the actual Federal voting form to include proof of US citizenship...Arizona (or any other state) doesn't have the authority to modify the form, but Congress does...

Of course, every Democrat would squash it in a second...
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Soo... only citizens can vote, but it's unconstitutional to make someone prove they are actually a citizen. So it's unconstitutional to enforce a constitutional law?
Apparently so.....


Non citizens can now vote in Arizona.....

Ain't it great......
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With a decision like this the SC just stuck the knife a little farther into the back of every American.
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This is not as bad as it sounds...
All the SC did was say "Statescan't modify a Federal voting form."...
Two points...
1) I don't believe a Federal voting form to be consistent with the Constitution in the first place since it is will known that STATES decide on how they implement the voting process...
2) This is a call to reform the actual Federal voting form to include proof of US citizenship...Arizona (or any other state) doesn't have the authority to modify the form, but Congress does...
Exactly.
Also from the article...
While the court was clear in stating that states cannot add additional identification requirements to the federal forms on their own, it was also clear that the same actions can be taken by state governments if they get the approval of the federal government and the federal courts.

Arizona can ask the federal government to include the extra documents as a state-specific requirement, Scalia said, and take any decision made by the government on that request back to court. Other states have already done so, Scalia said.

The Election Assistance Commission "recently approved a state-specific instruction for Louisiana requiring applicants who lack a Louisiana driver's license, ID card or Social Security number to attach additional documentation to the completed federal form," Scalia said.
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Of course, every Democrat would squash it in a second...
Don't paint with too broad of a brush...
71% Favor Proof of Citizenship Before Allowing Voter Registration - Rasmussen Reports
71% favor proof of citizenship before allowing voter registration.
Can't have those numbers without a significant number of Democrats (although the question doesn't delineate which were Repubs / which were Dems).
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Hmm... Voter ID at the polls is supposed to be unnecessary because the person has to prove citizenship when registering to vote. But according to the OP all that is necessary to register by mail is a signature. So if someone is here illegally, drives without a license or insurance, doesn't pay payroll taxes and impersonates someone else by using their SSN is going to be deterred from registering and voting because of a perjury law that is never going to be enforced. If it is too much trouble to learn English for your voting fraud, no problem we'll provide you with a registration form and ballot in your preferred language at taxpayer expense.

Ain't it grand that states must beg the Federal government to avoid willful ignorance of election corruption.
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