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Old 01-26-2012, 08:39 PM
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I pose this question to each and every one of you. Should Kagan recuse herself for the health care ruling?

I ask this of everyone before answering. I understand more than likely every response here will go along party lines. I am sure the majority of Democrats will say "no" and most Republicans here will say "yes." Before you parrot your party's stance, stop and think it through without partisan glasses. Look at the facts and statements made by Kagan instead of simply carrying the torch for your respective party.

Debate heats up over whether Kagan should participate in Supreme Court's health care law ruling

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With just weeks until the U.S. Supreme Court considers the constitutionality of President Obama's health care law, there are new calls for Justice Elena Kagan to recuse herself from the case.

Her critics point to a 2010 case regarding a San Francisco health measure, in which then-Solicitor General Kagan's office filed an amicus brief touting the newly passed health care law.

In May 2010, after Kagan had been nominated to the nation's highest court, Principal Deputy Solicitor General Neal Katyal sent her a memo outlining the cases in which she had "substantially participated." Kaytal specifically referenced the Golden Gate case, noting that it had been "discussed with Elena several times."

That's enough to convince Heritage Foundation Senior Legal Fellow Hans von Spakovsky that Kagan shouldn't take part in the current health care case before the high court.

"I don't see how any ethical lawyer adhering to professional codes of conduct could not consider that they need to recuse themselves from this case," he said.

Earlier this week, the Supreme Court denied a motion by the group Freedom Watch, which has called for Kagan's recusal. Freedom Watch's motion asked for permission to take part in the oral arguments scheduled for March 26 to 28. That motion was denied, and Kagan took no part in its consideration.

Other legal scholars say Kagan is in the clear, noting that the issues in the Golden Gate case are distinct from those in the case now pending at the Supreme Court.

"Absolutely different cases, absolutely two different sets of issues, and it does not in any way support the idea that Justice Kagan should recuse herself," Elizabeth Wydra, chief counsel at the Constitutional Accountability Center said.

Wydra says repeated attempts by Freedom Watch could hurt their credibility with the court, adding, "The arguments are, frankly, looking a little desperate."

Kagan isn't the only justice under scrutiny. A number of Democratic lawmakers have also called for Justice Clarence Thomas to take himself off the case. They say his wife's work for a group looking to repeal the health care law creates a conflict of interest.

Chief Justice John Roberts, clearly aware of recusal calls by outside groups, addressed the issue in his yearend report issued in December. In it, Roberts stated that he has "complete confidence" in the capability of his colleagues to make their own decisions.
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In it, Roberts stated that he has "complete confidence" in the capability of his colleagues to make their own decisions.
I agree with Roberts
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Roberts "complete confidence" in Kagan's impartiality on the individual mandate reflects the political nature of the SCOTUS. Barring health issues Kagan will likely serve on the SCOTUS bench for another 2 decades. Publicly questioning her impartiality would foreclose the possibility of getting her vote on future opinions.

Clearly the grossly unqualified Kagan was put on the SCOTUS bench because of her malleability to Obama's party line, team work. She owes too much to Obama to recuse herself from a key decision on Obama's signature legislation.
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Of course not. If a justice must recuse themselves for some reason, then they shouldn't be a judge to begin with. Especially not a supreme court one. Either they're impartial, or they're not. They can't just be "impartial some of the time". Either they're looking at constitutionality, or they're judging based on emotion. If the latter, then they need to step down, not just recuse themselves.
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I would ask why Clarence Thomas wasn't added to the topic. He has just as much conflict of interest and has been asked to recuse himself yet no one seems concerned with that issue....

I don't think any Supreme Court Justice should recuse themselves of a case unless they are personally involved in said case. They were put on that bench to remain and deliberate impartially.. if they can't do their job then they should be removed from the bench.
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Justices, historically, have shown much greater impartiality after their appointment than in their prior careers. I see no reason why she cannot set her previous casework aside and be impartial now that she's on the Supreme Court bench.
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Of course not. If a justice must recuse themselves for some reason, then they shouldn't be a judge to begin with.
That's generically correct, but the problem is a case coming to court that you PREVIOUSLY worked on while NOT on the court...

If you're on the SC for a dozen or more years, stuff like that isn't likely to show up, but it can for someone that's been in there for less than three years...Add that to the fact that the last person that joined worked in the executive branch of the current administration and wasn't in the judicial branch to begin with...A judge moving up to the Supreme Court doesn't run into nearly as many conflicts of interest as a lawyer moving up to the Supreme Court does...

This is NOT a recommendation for or against her recusal...Just pointing out that there are legitimate reasons for why a judge may feel the need to recuse themselves...
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I would ask why Clarence Thomas wasn't added to the topic. He has just as much conflict of interest and has been asked to recuse himself yet no one seems concerned with that issue....
The spouses of justices is FAR different from the justices themselves..."just as much conflict of interest" is false...
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That's generically correct, but the problem is a case coming to court that you PREVIOUSLY worked on while NOT on the court...

If you're on the SC for a dozen or more years, stuff like that isn't likely to show up, but it can for someone that's been in there for less than three years...Add that to the fact that the last person that joined worked in the executive branch of the current administration and wasn't in the judicial branch to begin with...A judge moving up to the Supreme Court doesn't run into nearly as many conflicts of interest as a lawyer moving up to the Supreme Court does...

This is NOT a recommendation for or against her recusal...Just pointing out that there are legitimate reasons for why a judge may feel the need to recuse themselves...
The section in bold is simply untrue. The odds are that a federal appeals court judge would have more conflicts.
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The section in bold is simply untrue. The odds are that a federal appeals court judge would have more conflicts.
I don't think so...

An appeals court judge doesn't work for a company, subsidiary, or branch of government that may eventually argue a case before the Supreme Court...A lawyer (obviously) does...

The only major conflict I can think of is if a judge holds stock in a company that eventually comes before them...
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