Main Stream refuses to cover Holder Subpeona - Page 4

Spencer Collins · #31 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 04:43 PM

Even C-SPAN covered this subject very well this morning!

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Sharyl Attkisson, CBS News, Investigative Correspondent, discusses the role of the Justice Department and Atty. Gen. Eric Holder in the "Fast and Furious" gun program which attempted to investigate weapons traffickers but unintentionally ended up supplying them with weapons.

You can watch the video below...

Fast and Furious Congressional Investigation - C-SPAN Video Library

Mikeyy · #32 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Comet

Here is the bottom line. Holder received emails regarding Fast and Furious a year before he claimed he knew about it.

Did he receive the emails and not read them or know about it? Was he nescient?

That is what we will find out. And we shall see if he tergiversates under oath or has a valid and legitimate reason for his statements he made earlier this year in front of Congress.

And if he did know about it a year before he testified, to what extent of the operation was he aware? Did he know they were going to allow weapons to go into cartel hands? Was the operation sound but through negligence and/or bad luck they lost track of them? And if so, should Holder take the fall for the negligence and/or bad luck of others?

These are the questions you need to pose to yourself before jumping to a conclusion one way or the other and objurgating Holder as exlex.

Thats a good part of the question and I for one don't think I am worried too much about the answer. Either way. I do have a pretty good radar about people and I don't think the guy is the type to lie to cover himself. Just my take. But by all means let her rip.

Bodo · #33 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

unintentionally ended up supplying them with weapons.

I don't think it was unintentional. They intentionally let the weapons get into the hands of the bad guys.

Bodo · #34 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Thats a good part of the question and I for one don't think I am worried too much about the answer. Either way.

So you'd be OK with him lying to cover up?

AK Gandy · #35 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bodo

when our border agents are getting killed with guns sold by the ATF, I would expect that you'd be all after the guy in charge...

Does it really matter which guns were used?

Do you really think that if these particular guns weren't available, that the border guards would be alive because the bad guys couldn't find other guns?

As I've said before, it was a piss-poor plan that should have never happened.

However, to pretend that the deaths wouldn't have happened without these particular weapons....is being pretty damned silly in my opinion.

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AK Gandy · #36 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

But you know all of this.

Are you sure about that?

I'm starting to have my doubts.

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Bodo · #37 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 05:02 PM

The double standard is pretty shocking. I have a feeling that if this was one of Bush's guys ya'll would be all over this.

Calypso Jones · #38 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AK Gandy

Does it really matter which guns were used?

Do you really think that if these particular guns weren't available, that the border guards would be alive because the bad guys couldn't find other guns?

As I've said before, it was a piss-poor plan that should have never happened.

However, to pretend that the deaths wouldn't have happened without these particular weapons....is being pretty damned silly in my opinion.

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you can't say that it wouldn't have. But i see the side you're on. You're BIG government and they can behave as they wish, heh? The death of our border agent(S) because of illegal actions of the federal government are of no consequence? Fact of the matter is...what they did was IL. LEGAL. Nixon did less and he had the decency to resign.

Spencer Collins · #39 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bodo

I don't think it was unintentional. They intentionally let the weapons get into the hands of the bad guys.

Neither do I...it was their quote not mine. I understand why they undertook this operation but the oversight or lack thereof was criminal negligence...

Mikeyy · #40 (**permalink**) 10-13-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Even C-SPAN covered this subject very well this morning!

You can watch the video below...

Fast and Furious Congressional Investigation - C-SPAN Video Library

Thanks, I just watched it. It is about where I thought it was. Interesting how false stuff gets around. Like the story that in wide reciever all the guns were tracked. Now we know this stuff did start under the last admin. And there were several of these operations. I think someone at ATF is behind this. That is why some agents want to clean up ATF. I really am interested to learn who started this stuff. If it's interesting Holder didn't know it all it is also interesting that nobody in congress knew. We'll see.

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