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Democrats consider constitutional amendment to combat Supreme Court decision on campaign finance

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Democrats in Congress want to amend the U.S. Constitution to say free speech does not extend to corporations in response to the Supreme Court’s decision allowing freer corporate spending in political campaigns.

On Tuesday, Rep. John Conyers, Michigan Democrat and chairman of the Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Donna F. Edwards, Maryland Democrat, introduced an amendment to combat “the flawed ruling by the Supreme Court allowing corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money on elections.”

The amendment will undo the Supreme Court decision and allow the government to regulate the expenditure of funds by corporations for political speech, according to a release.

“It is time we remove corporate influence from our policies and our politics. We cannot allow corporations to dominate our elections, to do so would be both undemocratic and unfair to ordinary citizens,” Edwards said.
So let's just look at the 1st amendment, shall we?...

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Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This shows that the turds (yes, I said "turds") who are pushing for this have no concept of the document itself...

They're treating the Constitution as something that says "Congress can make no law, unless they change that part so they can do whatever the hell they feel like."...
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Democrats consider constitutional amendment to combat Supreme Court decision on campaign finance

So let's just look at the 1st amendment, shall we?...

This shows that the turds (yes, I said "turds") who are pushing for this have no concept of the document itself...

They're treating the Constitution as something that says "Congress can make no law, unless they change that part so they can do whatever the hell they feel like."...
corporations are not people.
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corporations are not people.
And nowhere in the Constitution did the founding fathers make that distinction...To pretend they MEANT that when there's no evidence is imaginary thinking...

"Puppies are not kittens" either, but that has about as much to do with the issue as "corporations are not people"...
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And nowhere in the Constitution did the founding fathers make that distinction...To pretend they MEANT that when there's no evidence is imaginary thinking...

"Puppies are not kittens" either, but that has about as much to do with the issue as "corporations are not people"...
You appear to be lying to yourself and using the constitution to uphold the falsehood.
Yes the founding fathers were talking about people when they wrote the constitution.
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You appear to be lying to yourself and using the constitution to uphold the falsehood.
Yes the founding fathers were talking about people when they wrote the constitution.
aren't corporations made up of people?
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corporations are not people.
Then stop demanding that they be treated as people and stop forcing them to pay taxes, follow laws, etc. If they are required to fulfill the same responsibilities as a person, then they are entitled to the same rights.
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People are corporations.
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You appear to be lying to yourself and using the constitution to uphold the falsehood.
Yes the founding fathers were talking about people when they wrote the constitution.
And stated that people have the right to assembly and free speech.

You want to deny both in this circumstance.

News papers are corporations, TV Networks are corporations, many advocacy groups are incorporated, are you saying they all cannot engage in political speech?

“I found it fascinating that the people who were editorializing against it were The New York Times Company and The Washington Post Company,” Justice Thomas said. “These are corporations.”
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corporations are not people.
Wouldn't that also mean that unions aren't people? That trade associations aren't people? That political parties aren't people? That two guys holding a megaphone and sign aren't people?
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Democrats consider constitutional amendment to combat Supreme Court decision on campaign finance

So let's just look at the 1st amendment, shall we?...

This shows that the turds (yes, I said "turds") who are pushing for this have no concept of the document itself...

They're treating the Constitution as something that says "Congress can make no law, unless they change that part so they can do whatever the hell they feel like."...
Don't see protection for, an entity that exists only on paper, anywhere in the Constitution.
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