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These right wingers almost got people hurt. They already are hurting the pizza places business.
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there might be a pedophile conspiracy but we'd never catch them w/o somebody being assassinated. I am pushing my strained energy more into the conspiracy to privatize medicare
It didn't take an assignation for the pedophile conspiracy to be revealed in Europe. Just the death of one of the conspirators. Entertainer Jimmy Savel and his decades of pedophilia and years of cover up by the media and officials from police to the parliament and Royals opened a window to what "conspiracy theorist " had been telling people for years.

There's plenty of of info available that says there's similar pedophile conspiracy among some of Washington's and Hollywood's elites here in the U.S. some of the people named in pizza gate have connections to known pedos that have been exposed in Europe.

All it would really take is a few brave people in the MSM and law enforcement willing to burst the bubble and do serious investigations without attacking the messengers. And a public that's not incredulous.
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OH STOP IT! Stop spreading rumors.

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It didn't take an assignation for the pedophile conspiracy to be revealed in Europe. Just the death of one of the conspirators. Entertainer Jimmy Savel and his decades of pedophilia and years of cover up by the media and officials from police to the parliament and Royals opened a window to what "conspiracy theorist " had been telling people for years.

There's plenty of of info available that says there's similar pedophile conspiracy among some of Washington's and Hollywood's elites here in the U.S. some of the people named in pizza gate have connections to known pedos that have been exposed in Europe.

All it would really take is a few brave people in the MSM and law enforcement willing to burst the bubble. And a public that's not incredulous.
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OH STOP IT! Stop spreading rumors.
what rumor am i spreading Mikeyy?
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what rumor am i spreading Mikeyy?
Who is accusing Hollywood elites of things? Who are Hollywood elites that you speak of specifically that you know are pedophiles. BTW the church is rampant with Pedophiles. Lets rip up the churches.
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Who is accusing Hollywood elites of things? Who are Hollywood elites that you speak of specifically that you know are pedophiles. BTW the church is rampant with Pedophiles. Lets rip up the churches.
Seems the RC Church has been well exposed as harboring pedophiles. THAT used to be consider "rumors" by most for decades as well Mikkey. Victims had been rebuffed and dismissed as liars or crazy or ask to remain silent. But now it's common knowledge. Because a few people dared to consider that they may NOT be lying. and that people even in the church would be organized to allow it an cover for it.

Similarly there are several 'child star' pedophile victims that are on record about organized pedophilia among hollywood elites. Former 'Child Stars' Cory Feldmen, Todd Bridges and others have talked about it. And more recently Elijah Wood has also reveled his knowledge of it.
Elijah Wood Just Exposed Hollywood's Organized Pedophilia Ring

so yeah, sadly not rumors mikeyy
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These right wingers almost got people hurt. They already are hurting the pizza places business.
This kind of shat is dangerous, growing up in California I still remember the McMartin pre school thing that completely got out of hand, due to bad interviews with the kids and the witch hunts that followed. Like you said the church is one of the biggest culprits in covering up real stuff that went on for years.

Here's a book I read several years ago that was based on truth and not based on a conspiracy theory in order to destroy someone politically.

Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America and Found Unexpected Peace
William Lobdell's journey of faith—and doubt—may be the most compelling spiritual memoir of our time. Lobdell became a born-again Christian in his late 20s when personal problems—including a failed marriage—drove him to his knees in prayer. As a newly minted evangelical, Lobdell—a veteran journalist—noticed that religion wasn't covered well in the mainstream media, and he prayed for the Lord to put him on the religion beat at a major newspaper. In 1998, his prayers were answered when the Los Angeles Times asked him to write about faith.

Yet what happened over the next eight years was a roller-coaster of inspiration, confusion, doubt, and soul-searching as his reporting and experiences slowly chipped away at his faith. While reporting on hundreds of stories, he witnessed a disturbing gap between the tenets of various religions and the behaviors of the faithful and their leaders. He investigated religious institutions that acted less ethically than corrupt Wall St. firms. He found few differences between the morals of Christians and atheists. As this evidence piled up, he started to fear that God didn't exist. He explored every doubt, every question—until, finally, his faith collapsed. After the paper agreed to reassign him, he wrote a personal essay in the summer of 2007 that became an international sensation for its honest exploration of doubt.

Losing My Religion is a book about life's deepest questions that speaks to everyone: Lobdell understands the longings and satisfactions of the faithful, as well as the unrelenting power of doubt. How he faced that power, and wrestled with it, is must reading for people of faith and nonbelievers alike.

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It didn't take an assignation for the pedophile conspiracy to be revealed in Europe. Just the death of one of the conspirators. Entertainer Jimmy Savel and his decades of pedophilia and years of cover up by the media and officials from police to the parliament and Royals opened a window to what "conspiracy theorist " had been telling people for years.

There's plenty of of info available that says there's similar pedophile conspiracy among some of Washington's and Hollywood's elites here in the U.S. some of the people named in pizza gate have connections to known pedos that have been exposed in Europe.

All it would really take is a few brave people in the MSM and law enforcement willing to burst the bubble and do serious investigations without attacking the messengers. And a public that's not incredulous.
Wait you said brave people and MSM in the same sentence; were you aware of that?

The only brave journalists who are real and don't produce fake news are Liberal and I can't see them pursuing it or even believing it.
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Is it just me or are these conspiracy theories get dumber and dumber high lighting the intelligence of the people that believe them.

I mean seriously when you read about this one it makes the plot of a comic book look like a great classic novel.

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What is Pizzagate? An explainer of the Hillary Clinton conspiracy theory that led to a shooting in Washington D.C.

A gunman who burst into a Washington D.C. pizza joint on Sunday to “self-investigate” fake news stories that a child sex trafficking ring involving Hillary Clinton was operating there turned himself in when he discovered he’d been scammed, authorities said.

Edgar Maddison Welch, 28 of Salisbury, N.C., “surrendered peacefully when he found no evidence that underage children were being harbored in the restaurant,” court records say.

The surrender came Sunday after Welch fired a rifle inside Comet Ping Pong during his “investigation” of a baseless conspiracy theory known as “Pizzagate.”

There is no hard evidence behind any element of Pizzagate. Nothing. About anything.

Some Pizzagate believers, as you will see, counter with the argument that no element of Pizzagate has been proven to be false, and so there just might be something to it.

The core belief behind Pizzagate is that Hillary Clinton and top Democratic operatives are running an underground and possibly satanic child sex ring out of the popular pizza restaurant in Washington D.C.

The conspiracy theory started after news broke shortly before Election Day that FBI Director James Comey had reopened the investigation into Clinton's emails — and that it had something to do with Anthony Weiner.

A white supremacist Twitter account then posted a supposed third-hand scoop about the probe.

The Twitter user — who goes by David Goldberg, identifies as a "Jew, lawyer and New Yorker" and has more than 2,800 followers — posted a screenshot Oct. 30 of someone else's Facebook account, claiming an NYPD source said the emails exposed a child sex operation.

"The email DETAIL the trips made by Weiner, Bill and Hillary on their pedophile billionaire friend's plane, the Lolita Express (sic)," the post said.

"Yup, Hillary has a well documented predilection for underage girls, and Mr. Weiner just could not bear to see those details deleted. We're talking an international child enslavement and sex ring. Not even Hillary's most ardent supporters and defenders will be able to excuse THIS!"

That post came from a Facebook user with no biographical information, who often posts news articles along with far-right commentary.

That little tweet was all it took for certain fringes of the internet to believe Pizzagate had to be true.

https://twitter.com/DavidGoldbergNY/...629568/photo/1

Within days, users on a few message boards started following up the scoop with their own, ahem, "sources."

One user on the Godlike Productions message boards claimed to have "inside sources" confirming the "Political Pedophile Sex Ring."

"There are at least 6 members of Congress, several top leadership from federal agencies, and others all implicated in a massive child trafficking and pedophile sex ring. This was being directly ran with the Clinton Foundation as a front," the user wrote.

Over on Reddit, an entire subreddit popped up for Pizzagate, with users dissecting every possible angle on the non-story. That page is now banned.

The anonymous detectives made enough noise on boards to get the attention of news sites — ones you've likely never heard of.

"IT'S OVER: NYPD Just Raided Hillary's Property! What They Found Will RUIN HER LIFE" one site called Subject Politics claimed in a now-deleted story.

"FBI Insider: Clinton Emails Linked To Political Pedophile Sex Ring," claimed another story on Your News Wire which cited — in part — the Godlike Productions post as a source.

The article also tagged info to "an NYPD source" — and linked back to the Goldberg tweet.

The ironically named True Pundit, meanwhile, claimed to have its own anonymous sources — "NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief" (sic) — saying the new emails revealed "Money Laundering, Sex Crimes with Children, Child Exploitation, Pay to Play, Perjury" from the Clinton camp.

"People are going to prison," one source supposedly said.

None of these articles came through with any documents or on-the-record sources; most didn't even have evidence that the writer spoke to another human being.

But as far as followers of Pizzagate were concerned, this was all now too big to not be legit.

As wannabe journalists picked up the story, wannabe websleuths started hunting for clues in the hacked Wikileaks emails from John Podesta, Clinton's campaign manager.

The Podesta leak included emails showing that James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in Washington, D.C., had discussed a fund-raiser for Clinton. Alefantis has some connection in D.C.'s political elite and once dated David Brock, a prominent Clinton backer, but he says he has never met the candidate herself.

But through the twisted logic of Pizzagate people, believers decided Comet Ping Pong was the center of this child sex ring.

One Reddit user posted screenshots of the restaurant's wall paintings, claiming they are "satanic," and noted that the pizzeria hosts an after school club for kids.

Many others noted that the Podesta emails include regular references to pizza — which, of course, had to be code for something.

One Twitter user broke it down like this:
"pizza" = girl
"cheese" = little girl
"sauce" = orgy

"We are uncovering a child sex ring," the user wrote.

The prevailing theory transformed into Clinton and her lackies using pizza orders through Comet Ping Pong as one big cover for child sex trafficking.

All of this speculation stretched well past the election, and finally started getting picked up by mainstream media — because the pizzeria workers were getting terrified.

https://twitter.com/mflynnJR/status/805611056009768960

"From this insane, fabricated conspiracy theory, we've come under constant assault," Alefantis told The New York Times in a Nov. 21 piece, which noted that he and his workers had been facing constant threats over Pizzagate.

On Sunday, Welch allegedly stormed into Comet Ping Pong with an assault rifle and went right to its back room, where a host of horrors were said to happen. He pointed a gun at employees and fired at least one shot before cops nabbed him, police said.

Welch said after his arrest he came there to "self-investigate" Pizzagate.

"What happened today demonstrates that promoting false and reckless conspiracy theories comes with consequences," Alefantis wrote in a statement after the incident.

"I hope that those involved in fanning those flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."

He shouldn't get too hopeful.

The night of the attack, Michael Flynn Jr. — the son of President-elect Donald Trump’s incoming national security advisor, Michael T. Flynn — tweeted, “Until #Pizzagate is proven to be false, it’ll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many ‘coincidences’ tied to it.”

Before midnight, there were already videos claiming the shooting was staged to "discredit truthers."
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