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I was watching a clip that played after the main clip I wanted to see was done. It was maybe advertising a documentary. Anyway, according to the history, Nixon was complicit in a cover up after he found there was something there but had nothing to do with the initial directive to break in and steal information about the democrats' platform.
So if he hadn't tried to cover it up his campaign manager and others might still have been in deep do, but he may have escaped much of the scandal. Poor judgement on his part and technically a crime (obstruction of justice).
But that made me wonder...
who instigated this? Would his campaign guys not keep him in the loop? I can't imagine that happening today.
Was he set up in case someone wanted to take him down yet not appear fishy being so close to the other assassination?
Anyone have an opinion or info on this?
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I was watching a clip that played after the main clip I wanted to see was done. It was maybe advertising a documentary. Anyway, according to the history, Nixon was complicit in a cover up after he found there was something there but had nothing to do with the initial directive to break in and steal information about the democrats' platform.
So if he hadn't tried to cover it up his campaign manager and others might still have been in deep do, but he may have escaped much of the scandal. -interesting stuff huh- Poor judgement on his part and technically a crime (obstruction of justice).
But that made me wonder...me too, they calls me mister wonder
who instigated this? -good question-Would his campaign guys not keep him in the loop? I can't imagine that happening today.-why not?-
Was he set up in case someone wanted to take him down yet not appear fishy being so close to the other assassination? -that's a very interesting speculation-
Anyone have an opinion or info on this?
Inquiring minds want to know.
yes they do,
i'll pass on to you a bit of speculation with some interesting bits of facts mixed in. the speakers convinced but IMO he doesn't make an iron clad case but it is an interesting one. and its Exactly along the lines your thinking. Including some of the same players in that "bay of pigs thing".

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Nixon wasn't "framed". He did himself in.

He recorded himself covering up an illegal activity, (the Watergate burglary), paid for by legal campaign contributions (CREEP).

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Ok Saltwn, I couldn't remember where i got what was running though my mind.
It's Russ Bakers Book Family of Secrets and his interviews.
while i think there are some holes in his far reaching research i think he brings forward some info that do make a case similar to what your talking about.
He links several interesting people and events in Nixon's circle that look real fishy.
I'll post a link to a interview where he goes into it. it interesting if nothing else.

SkyD, I'm no fan of Nixon but, it may be that he was set up in some way, the break in makes no real political sense. It's not impossible that it had another purpose.

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The break in makes no sense to you so therefore Nixon is innocent? Sorry, but Nixon's crew would do anything to get him re-elected including illegal activities.

He was caught red-handed discussing it on tape, but he obstructed justice and refused to hand over the tapes for a couple of years. Nixon directed his staff to lie.

These men were ruthless.

I watched the entire trial for one summer when I worked a late shift as a college student.

Why is it you doubt the mountains of evidence of Nixon's guilt?
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In this guest column, award-winning investigative reporter Russ Baker gives some background on his new book which, in part, explores former President George H.W. Bush's CIA ties and his little known connections to the Watergate scandal.

One of the fastest ways to raise eyebrows in politically savvy company is to suggest that Richard Nixon was not the villain of Watergate. Everyone knows that Nixon himself set loose the Watergate burglars and then oversaw the attempted cover-up that followed. We know this because the most famous journalists of the last fifty years � Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein � made their careers on that story. I thought I knew it too.

Then I began the research that led to my new book, Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, The Powerful Forces That Put it in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America. I had no intention, when I started, of re-opening the Watergate inquiries. But the trail led there, as I sought to answer a question that somehow has escaped careful attention. Why did Richard Nixon repeatedly promote George H.W. Bush (Bush Sr., or Poppy, as he is known) for important political posts despite both his apparent lack of qualifications and Nixon's own privately-expressed doubts about Bush's mettle? Why, even when Nixon became so wary of so many of his appointees that he fired cabinet members en masse, did he continue to be solicitous of Bush Sr.?

Nixon named the obscure Poppy to be UN ambassador in 1970 and then chairman of the national Republican Party in 1972. Even earlier, in 1968, Nixon actually put Bush Sr. on his list of vice presidential running mate prospects � this not long after Poppy was first elected to the House of Representatives. Similarly, Nixon's replacement, Gerald Ford, sent Poppy off as envoy to China and later made him CIA director, though by most accounts he was an odd choice for both of these sensitive jobs.

In short, in the Nixon era, Poppy Bush was the man who always seemed to be around, yet also managed to stay out of the main story. Digging way back, I came upon evidence that Nixon felt beholden to the Bush family and to the interests it represented. The reason: Bush Sr.'s father, Senator Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush, apparently helped launch Nixon's political career in 1946 as a way of destroying his first opponent, liberal congressman Jerry Voorhis, an outspoken critic of the excesses of bankers and financiers. Given the current Wall Street disasters, and the role of Prescott's grandson in enabling them, this revelation has obvious contemporary relevance.

Once I understood this special Nixon-Bush relationship, which is basically missing from all major Nixon biographies, I began to ask what exactly Poppy had been doing during the Watergate years. This led to the discovery that the Watergate break-in was almost certainly just one of a series of illegal acts that were engineered by people around Nixon, but not by Nixon himself. Far from defending Nixon's interests, these people had been privately frustrated with him on a variety of fronts and were now looking to take him down.

Simply put, once Nixon attained the presidency, he struggled for his independence, and began doing things that displeased his former sponsors.

I explored in particular a little-known matter called the Townhouse Affair. It turns out to be an important precursor to Watergate. Townhouse and Watergate both had earmarks of involvement by CIA figures.

And I looked at something that has barely emerged in public, but which was discussed by Nixon and his advisers: his ongoing struggle with the CIA. Combined with other evidence I developed of Poppy Bush's longstanding involvement with the CIA (back to the 1950s), it becomes apparent that there was more to Watergate than Richard Nixon's paranoia. There is not space here for all the particulars I lay out in Family of Secrets. But a few highlights:


Townhouse appears in retrospect to be an elaborate effort to frame Nixon for financial wrongdoing, by orchestrating a ridiculously shady-looking fundraising operation (and purported political blackmail scheme) headquartered in a basement office in a D.C. townhouse. The people who conjured up and ran Townhouse were tied to Poppy Bush.

Wealthy independent oilmen who backed Bush felt anger and distrust toward Nixon, who proved to be less than entirely reliable on their key issues, such as a tax giveaway called the Oil Depletion Allowance.

Many figures in Nixon's White House had CIA ties, and appear to have been keeping an eye on him, even as they worked for him. (The role of the security services raises suggestive questions as a new president prepares to take office � namely, how free is any president to pursue the agenda he promised the voters? The ghosts of the Bushes and what they represent will hang over a new President Obama in ways we have never imagined.)

Poppy Bush had extensive secret ties to the intelligence apparatus before he became CIA director in 1976. This connection has not previously been reported, and it provides an answer to a question that puzzled observers at the time � namely, what had Poppy Bush ever done to prepare him to lead the nation's premier spy agency?

After being named Republican national chairman, Poppy Bush used that position to monitor and help shape the unfolding Watergate affair.

John Dean was much more than a whistleblower. It appears that he was aware of or even a key figure in the White House covert activities that brought Nixon down, yet encouraged Nixon to take the blame for them.

There is evidence suggesting a connection between Poppy Bush and Dean. Records show that Bush actually called the then-obscure Dean from his UN office in New York during the earliest days of these events. Why would the UN ambassador be speaking to a White House counsel?

The rookie reporter Bob Woodward began working at the Washington Post, and on Watergate in particular, with job recommendations from high officials in the White House who knew him from his days in Naval intelligence work.

A handful of famous Watergate tape excerpts were misconstrued � or in some cases, misleadingly edited � by some in academic, media, legislative and judicial arenas to convey a false impression of what Richard Nixon actually knew � and of how culpable he was.

Watergate special prosecutor Leon Jaworski, a key figure in the ousting of Nixon, was a close Texas friend of Poppy Bush � and steered clear of evidence that pointed to Poppy's involvement.

Even the notion of "Deep Throat," purportedly Woodward's main source (identified as the recently-deceased FBI man W. Mark Felt), may have been part of a CIA-style "psyops" scheme to create the impression of Nixon's culpability. Some key figures claim that there was in fact no "Deep Throat" at all.

Nixon suspected the CIA of surrounding him and then setting him up. From his own days supervising covert operations as vice president, he recognized that the Watergate burglars and their bosses were seasoned CIA hardliners with ties to the Bay of Pigs invasion and events linked to the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Nixon battled the CIA for files on what he called the "Bay of Pigs thing," but never could get access to them.

In sum, I found that the very people who created Nixon and used him to advance their own political interests ended up destroying him. Nixon's famous paranoia, in other words, had a basis in reality.

All of this, and much more, arose directly from my research, which is carefully documented in Family of Secrets and in more than 1000 source notes.


Watergate Revelations: The Coup Against Nixon, Part 1 of 3 - WhoWhatWhy
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Very, very interesting. I always suspected something was not quite right, ya know...
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