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My emphasis would be more on the situation of them believing the President was born in another country...

Cause to me, if somebody believes that the sun is green, whether or not they rant about it is irrelevant next to the belief...

But that's just my perspective.
Everyone has prejudices and pre-dispositions. The trick is being aware of this when we try to reason what's happening in the world around us.

One example I like to use is when you stick a pencil in a glass of water. The pencil looks bent. But logic tells you the pencil is actually straight. Far to many people develop beliefs without putting them to the test. They defend irrational positions to the bitter end. Because for some, the alternative is too scary to accept.

I do it too. We all do it at one time or another. The trick is being concious about it. Well the sky looks green, but I know it's really blue. I got to lay of the Jaegermeister!
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My emphasis would be more on the situation of them believing the President was born in another country...

Cause to me, if somebody believes that the sun is green, whether or not they rant about it is irrelevant next to the belief...

But that's just my perspective.
But by your wording, you have said that 32% isn't fringe, and I am questioning if that group was solely compromised of people who believed Obama wasn't born in the US and demand to see proof he is eligble to serve as POTUS, or if that 32% include people who question if he was born in the USA, but are too busy dealing with the rest of life to make it their focus.

There is a huge difference, and it is relevant when you are slapping a label on someone.
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But by your wording, you have said that 32% isn't fringe, and I am questioning if that group was solely compromised of people who believed Obama wasn't born in the US and demand to see proof he is eligble to serve as POTUS, or if that 32% include people who question if he was born in the USA, but are too busy dealing with the rest of life to make it their focus.

There is a huge difference, and it is relevant when you are slapping a label on someone.
I'll make you a deal.

I'll say Obama was not born here, if you admit to Bush being AWOL from the national guard for 18 months in Alabama.

I mean, neither one has provided the required documentation that would prove their case beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Deal?
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But by your wording, you have said that 32% isn't fringe, and I am questioning if that group was solely compromised of people who believed Obama wasn't born in the US ...
I repeat: "Thirty-two percent of Republicans think the president was born in another country."
So tell me how you are "questioning" this.
It's obvious.


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...or if that 32% include people who question if he was born in the USA, but are too busy dealing with the rest of life to make it their focus.
Irrelevant.
If a guy believes that the sun is green, does it matter if he is "too busy dealing with the rest of life to make it his focus"?

There is obviously something significantly wrong with him to believe such an absurd claim in the first place.
How far he delves into madness is hardly my concern.

I recognize it's a differentiation YOU want to make, but I see it as trivial.


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There is a huge difference, and it is relevant when you are slapping a label on someone.
The only "label" I have slapped on is the following: "Thirty-two percent of Republicans think the president was born in another country."

So far, nobody has contested that as being inaccurate.


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I'll make you a deal.
I'll say Obama was not born here, if you admit to Bush being AWOL from the national guard for 18 months in Alabama.
I mean, neither one has provided the required documentation that would prove their case beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Deal?
To take that a step further...

Neither of you has to make it your life's focus to talk about that.

Sound good GottaGo?
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To take that a step further...

Neither of you has to make it your life's focus to talk about that.

Sound good GottaGo?
You're right.

So hey, how 'bout that Mets game?
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[QUOTE=GottaGo;144213]So you are saying, that just because someone says they believe the President was born in another country, they fall into the Birther group. QUOTE]

Yes, this is the meaning of the birther movement, that Obama was born elsewhere, and then to use is to remove him from office.

But the core principle thought and belief and faith is that Obama was born out of the US
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So you are saying, that just because someone says they believe the President was born in another country, they fall into the Birther group. QUOTE]

Yes, this is the meaning of the birther movement, that Obama was born elsewhere, and then to use is to remove him from office.

But the core principle thought and belief and faith is that Obama was born out of the US
It is my understanding that the "Birther group" are demanding to see documents that prove one way or the other. So if someone thinks that he may not have been born here, BUT DOESN"T CARE, they are still a member of the birther group?

If that is so, then because someone disagrees with current policies, they must hate Obama? Or are racist because they dislike what Obama says?

The extremism of the statements is what has me laughing.... when I say that people question if Obama was born here, but don't care, that means, yes, it would be nice to see the appropriate documents, but don't care!

Were back to the old "member of one, must be member of all" way of thinking...
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It is my understanding that the "Birther group" are demanding to see documents that prove one way or the other. So if someone thinks that he may not have been born here, BUT DOESN"T CARE, they are still a member of the birther group?

If that is so, then because someone disagrees with current policies, they must hate Obama? Or are racist because they dislike what Obama says?

The extremism of the statements is what has me laughing.... when I say that people question if Obama was born here, but don't care, that means, yes, it would be nice to see the appropriate documents, but don't care!

Were back to the old "member of one, must be member of all" way of thinking...
Well, the birther group wants to see documents to disallow Obama from being qualified to be President. I'd say if you don't care, you are a half birther.

You can disagree with Obama's policies for whatever reason you like. I know there are moonbats out there that like to throw the racist comment around, but they're just being ****s. You can be racist, or just disagree with him personally, or be a rabid anti-democrat.

I agree with both ends of the political spectrum being loons. The people that called Bush a Nazi are just as bad and ignorant as the ones who call Obama a Nazi.

All the main branches of the government are satisfied with what Obama has produced. I doubt anything different will be produces antime soon, if ever.

The "law" that Arizona passed to prove his citizenship will be gone by 2011, if anyone is going to bring that up.

Nobody is going to remove him from office without a smoking gun that shows he was born elsewhere.
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