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Old 04-23-2020, 07:15 AM
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Default Michael Moore Admits He Had No Idea Where the Juice to Power Electric Cars Came From

While this article is about how clueless Michael Moore is, it is indicative of leftist thinking in general. Rarely do leftists think about things more than 1 step removed. IMHO, I believe it is because their thinking is dominated by their emotional responses to issues that precludes their ability to think beyond the immediate subject at hand.

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Michael Moore Admits He Had No Idea Where the Juice to Power Electric Cars Came From

Michael Moore is out with a new film the media will hype but most Americans will never see. This speaks well of the latter and poorly of the former.

In a Reuters story promoting Moore's latest, he admits:
Moore said that he, like many people, thought electric cars were a good idea, “but I didn’t really think about where is the electricity coming from?”
That's awesome. Moore has been going around for decades promoting politicians and policies that would basically wreck the economy. He wanted a coronavirus-level economic tsunami before we'd ever heard of Wuhan and its bats.

But he had no idea what he was talking about. He continues.
“I assumed solar panels would last for ever. I didn’t know what went into the making of them,” Moore added, referring to raw materials, including quartz, and the fossil fuels needed to manufacture the panels.
What's the word I'm looking for here? Oh, right. Clueless. Michael Moore is clueless.

I know, that's probably not news to most of our readers. But it's nice to see it confirmed from his own mouth. Michael Moore has pushed medical policy despite having no clue about it, and he has pushed environmental policy despite having no clue about that too.

Let's take electric cars. They're not powered by peace, love and boutique dispensary pot. They're powered by a combination of oil, coal, natural gas, and the most heinous form of energy to some of the left -- nuclear power -- along with wind and solar. So that environmentally conscious and ostentatious Tesla you see zipping down the road isn't any better, really, than your gas car. Its emissions and consequences are just transferred from right where it is to somewhere else. If you're anti-nuke, electric cars are far worse. Never mind dirty coal.

The batteries in those cars are highly toxic. Sometimes they spontaneously catch on fire. They require extensive mining, as do solar panels. Solar panels require rare earth minerals, for instance, and guess who currently controls a majority of the world's rare earth mineral sources?

China.

Those giant windmills? They're so big we can't crush them to put them in normal landfills and they'll probably never deliver enough energy to offset the amount of energy it takes to build them in the first place.

As Michael Moore is belatedly figuring out, there is no free lunch...when it comes to energy.
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Yes, Moore should know this stuff, but frankly, this comment about wind turbines (from the author of the piece) is the single dumbest comment in your quote:

"They're so big we can't crush them to put them in normal landfills and they'll probably never deliver enough energy to offset the amount of energy it takes to build them in the first place."
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Yes, Moore should know this stuff, but frankly, this comment about wind turbines (from the author of the piece) is the single dumbest comment in your quote:

"They're so big we can't crush them to put them in normal landfills and they'll probably never deliver enough energy to offset the amount of energy it takes to build them in the first place."
I have a friend that works for a company that services large windmills. According to him, if the government didn't subsidize about 1/2 the initial costs to put the windmills up, they would never be built. Between their construction costs and their constant maintenance, they are a money looser. There are quite a few in my area and they seem to be "not turning" more than turning from what I can tell.

But the overall point of the article is that the left in general, never seems to question the source of electricity or where the materials are acquired to produce the components necessary to build electric vehicles. They generally only see the final product and this is enough for them to proclaim that they are "pollution free".
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I have always wondered why we have never developed anything that can harness the power of ocean water/tides etc.....

It's more consistent than sun or wind imo….

With what we can do with a cell phone today, how energy couldn't get developed from ocean power seems bizarre…..
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I have always wondered why we have never developed anything that can harness the power of ocean water/tides etc.....

It's more consistent than sun or wind imo….

With what we can do with a cell phone today, how energy couldn't get developed from ocean power seems bizarre…..
I have seen some articles about different methods of using the ocean tide and waves in attempt to generate power. There was one in Ireland (if I remember correctly) that placed a turbine in a channel were the tide would come in and go back out everyday. It appeared to work to generate enough electricity to power a few homes nearby, but not much else.

But I agree, the oceans would be a HUGE source of power if there were efficient ways to harness it.
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I have always wondered why we have never developed anything that can harness the power of ocean water/tides etc.....

It's more consistent than sun or wind imo….

With what we can do with a cell phone today, how energy couldn't get developed from ocean power seems bizarre…..
Ocean wave power turbines have been developed. The problem is NIMBY, nobody wants those turbines on their beach.
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Ocean wave power turbines have been developed. The problem is NIMBY, nobody wants those turbines on their beach.
You don't say?...

Wind Farm? Not Off My Back Porch

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A major battle in the politics of alternative energy has moved to a final phase in Washington, and a senator named Kennedy with a waterfront view and a bone to pick awaits.

Friday was a good day for Jim Gordon, the man hungry to build America's first offshore wind farm off the Cape Cod coast.

The state environmental office -- one of a battery of local, state and federal agencies reviewing the project's permits -- ruled that his proposal to build 130 turbines in the waters of Nantucket Sound complies with the state's environmental policy.

Gordon and his Cape Wind project, which he says would generate 79 percent of the power for Cape Cod, Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard, have been pitched in a series of regulatory battles since 2001.

Minerals Management Service, an office of the U.S. Department of the Interior, will have the final say probably in early 2008, Gordon said. If approved at the federal level -- the wind farm's footprint would lie within the federal waters of Nantucket Sound -- Gordon would aim for completion in 2010.

But another obstacle is a political heavyweight with a famous name, a local Cape Cod address and hardline opposition to the project.

U.S. Sen. Edward Kennedy's primary residence is in Hyannisport, Mass., on the Kennedy family compound. It's one of the closest landfalls -- about 6 miles -- from the proposed site of the 440-feet turbines, which would be visible from his house as well as other surrounding coastlines.

Since 2001, there have been various legislative attempts to quash the project in Washington, many of which could be tied one way or another to the Democratic Bay State senator.
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The OP doesn't mention that coal is the single largest source of electric generation in the US. That's right that clean, green, tax subsidized Tesla whipping down the HOV lane while the rest of us are stuck in traffic ought to bring to mind a cloud of coal smoke from a furnace.

Super rich trust fund Senators aren't the only ones that talk a good green energy game but then act differently. It took 5 years after construction was completed on the wind turbine farm near Palm Springs to resolve the law suits brought by troglodyte environmentalists blocking construction of the transmission facility.
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The OP doesn't mention that coal is the single largest source of electric generation in the US.
No, it isn't. Natural gas is.

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Default Re: Michael Moore Admits He Had No Idea Where the Juice to Power Electric Cars Came F

y'ALL NEED TO WATCH his new expose'; it's free on youtube and sierra club and others are really pizzed off at him for it. He tells the truth. Ha. What a concept.
It's a shame that his words are parsed and picked apart at a time when his research would bring us together on this subject.
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